skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Before that even. I’m sure we all remember the leave campaign saying how we need to leave because the EU is a protectionist organisation. The EU’s stance really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
but it was obvious from the start that this was how the EU were going to approach things
Which part of my post makes you say or think I don't understand?I know it's a challenge for you to understand but the website deleted the orginal article after it was looking positive and the webmasters of the website redirected that article to the new one saying that it wasn't so positive.
It's not that hard to understand.
So where do you take this from?Perhaps it's due to the UK wishing to align itself more to American standards to secure a trade deal? This would mean there would need to be checks to ensure that banned goods were not entering into the EU.
It would be fine if the UK agreed to maintain its current standards in the long-term but that we all know that won't be happening.
So where do you take this from?
A perhaps with no foundations.
Yes Mr EU. Straight out of the EU rule book they don't keep to themselves.We will have to abide by the same EU regulations even if there are no tariffs in order to avoid border controls. We haven’t got to trade negotiations yet as we will not agree to applying EU regulations. The discussion is about regulatory frameworks. At the moment we have a FTA on tariffs and regulations. You cannot get better. It is called the single market and customs union. But the UK does not want it because of people like you. You won’t accept the 4 freedoms which make the SM and CU. No one in the EU wants to alter the rules to suit Astute and Co‘s dislike of freedom of movement. The UK and Astute are saying, if you want to sell to us, you must change the rules. And you call that dictating to the UK? Jesus wept.
12% is 1 in 10?1 in 10 is less than 1 in 8.
From the start was after the vote.but it was obvious from the start that this was how the EU were going to approach things, whether you me or anyone else agrees or disagrees with their stance is irrelevant.
If the government have been relying on the EU taking a different approach than they're even stupider than I though. From the outset, when people were talking about German car manufacturers lobbying the German government the BDI said they wouldn't allow that to happen.
So does that make it right?Before that even. I’m sure we all remember the leave campaign saying how we need to leave because the EU is a protectionist organisation. The EU’s stance really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
Which part of my post makes you say or think I don't understand?
When it looked like they were negotiating a deal you said it proves those wrong that the EU doesn't want a deal. But when I read it the link showed they are not interested in making a deal....at least just yet.
It would all be about negotiating going forward and what would cause problems in the future.It's going to be a key point as to why it is such an important issue and why they would be looking to keep NI in the SM and CU.
“We are just saying that on the island there are two countries, we need to fund the capacity for certain issues relating to the internal market and customs union, that we need to ensure the Good Friday agreement can function ... We need to ensure there is regulatory consistency, alignment.”
EU publishes plan to keep Northern Ireland in customs union
So does that make it right?
Dies that give them the right to dictate to us?
It would all be about negotiating going forward and what would cause problems in the future.
But we are stuck at stage 1 which is Ireland. And I said from day 1 that we wouldn't be able to solve it without knowing what any sort of trade deal looks like. It was designed to make it fail.
Does this make you happy?
Yes I know.The origal link was to the first version of the article when several news sources that a deal had been struck.
Raab then flew put to Brussels to try and resolve some outstanding issues and they broke down.
The website that article was on then deleted their original article and wrote the new updated one.
They then redirected to url of the original article to the updated one.
So does that make it right?
Dies that give them the right to dictate to us?
I said as soon as the order for the so called negotiations came out that the order was wrong and that I thought that they didn't want to negotiate. They are trying to force us to stay in the EU.It shouldn't come as a surprise, it was always going to be the case that it would have the clout in negotiations, despite what was predicted on here and by ministers.
Suck it up and get used to it, it's going to be the way in trade deals with the likes of the USA as well.
Where did you get this false information from?No it wasn't at all, it's due to the issue of Ireland being so complex and the Good Friday Agreement. Most people on the mainland are completely ignorant about Northern Ireland.
How can it be based on 'what a trade deal looks like', especially with the UK, which will inevitably be reducing standards in the future?
The fact you think all we it needs is a 'Free Trade Deal' to maintain an open border while not being aligned in regulations is hilarious.
Good morning UKIP voting EU lover Tony.What’s right got to do with it? It’s the way it was always going to be. We knew that when we voted leave.
Dictate? Stop being childish. We’ve triggered article 50 dictating that we’re leaving. The red lines were always there from the off from the EU. Nothing has changed since the day before the referendum. This is just the reality of brexit and the reality of what people voted for. Deal with it. Like an adult.
Yes I know.
On the first update you commented that people were wrong to say the EU didn't want to negotiate.
Is this correct so far?
Then they changed the story so you could see that the EU doesn't want a deal.
Is this correct so far?
Where did you get this false information from?
So are you saying a free trade deal would not make the Ireland situation much easier?
The rest is hearsay. A favourite tactic of those who are pro EU.
So you didn't say that?Haha that's one way to spin it if you were a rabid Brexiteer.
I said as soon as the order for the so called negotiations came out that the order was wrong and that I thought that they didn't want to negotiate. They are trying to force us to stay in the EU.
Suck it up?
Would prefer to leave with no deal.
Their idea of a deal is taking what they can from us and making it hard for us to make deals elsewhere in the world. There is no way it will get passed through the UK government. No side would agree to it. So we might as well agree to a no deal ASAP.
And that would cause pandemonium in the EU. They have trillions invested in London. Their rules mean it would all have to be removed. But it isn't like a bank account. There isn't money just sitting there. I would guess it would cause the EU to collapse. Good news for those who detest bullies and bullying.
So you didn't say that?
So why didn't you answer to the full answer I gave yesterday? Not one comment from anyone.I am going to presume you are on the wind up as this is getting ridiculous and you clearly don't understand the issues
Post of the yearI have no idea what you're on about but you clearly have a warped perspective on it. Perhaps the UK doesn't want to make a deal?
So why didn't you answer to the full answer I gave yesterday? Not one comment from anyone.
Explain one thing. How can we decide where borders will be and what they will have to do at borders if we don't know what they will have to do at the borders?
Post of the year
Why Can’t U.K. Solve the Irish Border Problem in Brexit?Exactly, so the idea of negotiating a trade deal before a withdrawal agreement is pointless. The issue isn't about trade but regulations; how can you have an open border between 2 countries when one has goods that are banned in the other?
Is it?I am just emulating what you do. You take the EU not caving into British demands to mean it doesn't want a deal, rhetoric straight from the UK tabloids.
Is it?
So when did the EU try to negotiate?
From the start was after the vote.
If I knew then what I know now there is a good chance I would have voted leave. I detest bullies and bullying.
They have just had a meeting that went nowhere. Negotiated? If there had been negotiations they would have got somewhere.They've been negotiating for months with the UK, including the last week.
It's going to be interesting when you finally realise the likes of the USA are going to be far more aggressive in their demands compared to the EU, especially as they know that they will be able to dictate terms in their favour.
Yet who disagrees with this?but the rights and wrongs of it are irrelevant. we've been lead up the garden path by our politicians who should have anticipated this.
It was glaringly obvious what was going to happen.
Yet who disagrees with this?
It doesn't mean in any way we should be dictated to. Full stop.
They have just had a meeting that went nowhere. Negotiated? If there had been negotiations they would have got somewhere.
Which is what I have been saying.Which means we'll leave with no deal.
That will hurt us.
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