Again you miss the point that the whole standpoint was to continue concede to the Eu.
If May was serious about no deal Brexit preparations would have begun to prepare for that from day 1. There would have been no divorce payment discussion either.
He hedged in the early 90’s and is regarded as being responsible for financially ruining another country for s generation
We are talking about 500000 quid donation in 2018.
What was Davis up to then? His recent claims about entering a transition period after no deal show that he shouldn't have been Brexit Secretary in the first place. The whole thing is shocking. It's the lack of preparation and ignorance about it all that makes it all the much worse.
No we talking about ethics and suitability
What was Davis up to then? His recent claims about entering a transition period after no deal show that he shouldn't have been Brexit Secretary in the first place. The whole thing is shocking. It's the lack of preparation and ignorance about it all that makes it all the much worse.
What was Davis up to then? His recent claims about entering a transition period after no deal show that he shouldn't have been Brexit Secretary in the first place. The whole thing is shocking. It's the lack of preparation and ignorance about it all that makes it all the much worse.
Oh well that’s leave fxxked then.
I don't think oucho would see it as anything other than tongue in cheek. You're so far up your own arse and uptight over all this you've lost all sense of humour.I've said it consistently as have others, there shouldn't be a second referendum, some people agree some don't.
Bizarre to say you can't say it on this thread.
I don't think oucho would see it as anything other than tongue in cheek. You're so far up your own arse and uptight over all this you've lost all sense of humour.
If I said constantly that the EU would give into our demands you will happily show us these countless times I said it........won't you?You continually said that the EU would give into demands as the UK bought French cheese, Italian wine, went on holiday etc.
As expected it turned out to be a bollocks. If it all goes pear shaped I genuinely expect that you'll try and make out you were 100% remain.
I reality I actually said that the UK will go for for the EEA option and still think it will do.
I will tell you what I think to what is in the table when I see it. What worries me is the negotiations have hardly even started. What is on the table is to get us through until the negotiations are complete. And this could take years. That is the worrying thing. And that is what the MP's from both sides don't like.the deal on the table is appalling.
Hopefully it will not get through parliament and I fully expect that to be the case. When you have remainers saying they'd rather have no deal and leavers saying they'd rather remain than have Mays deal that tells you all you need to know.
I will tell you what I think to what is in the table when I see it. What worries me is the negotiations have hardly even started. What is on the table is to get us through until the negotiations are complete. And this could take years. That is the worrying thing. And that is what the MP's from both sides don't like.
If I said constantly that the EU would give into our demands you will happily show us these countless times I said it........won't you?
If I said constantly that the EU would give into our demands you will happily show us these countless times I said it........won't you?
The treaty was rejected by voters in France, Holland and Ireland but Ireland was the only country allowed to have a second referendum.In Ireland the wording was altered to take into account people‘s opinions and Ireland is extreme pro EU now. The people seem quite happy how it panned out.
Show me some proof on what you say I should hold my hands up to instead of constantly telling me what I have said when I haven't.You've consistently said it, I'm not going to go back over a thread that's 100s of pages to bother proving it.
You're unable to hold your hands up to anything and have to be appear to be right about everything. Hence, why I'm sure I a few years you'll claim to have backed either side.
Show me some proof on what you say I should hold my hands up to instead of constantly telling me what I have said when I haven't.
You told me that the EU wouldn't offer any sort of deal. I said they would last minute. And they have come to an agreement last minute. You hate the fact that the EU does actually need us. If they didn't you would have got your prediction right that you always made out to be a fact that they would make us crash and burn.
Well clearly not as you belief such attributes are not applicable - otherwise you’d be horrified a creature of manipulation and misery is sponsoring a campaign
And yet again I ask you to prove your stupid accusation. I have never said we would call the shots. You will come out with any old crap on this thread. I remember the days when you wHahaha...this is classic. I've actually said that I think the UK will end up in the EEA, especially as it wasn't going to be able to call the shots in negotiations and get its own way. I still think long-term that it will be the eventual outcome.
There is no certain withdrawal agreement either as it's highly unlikely get through parliament, which is surprising as you told us that the UK would be calling the shots as we had the upper hand.
Who would you say of the top leavers has the necessary ethical, honesty and high intelligence to satisfy your high standards?
And yet again I ask you to prove your stupid accusation. I have never said we would call the shots. You will come out with any old crap on this thread. I remember the days when you w
were easily one of the better contributors on here. But you have become so bitter and twisted on the subject.
I'm not sure if it will get passed through parliament or not. Who would like to be the one to put us into more shit than we could be in now? Just like all these letters against May. What happened to them?
I have a feeling it will get passed through parliament but then go downhill quickly when the proper negotiations start.
And BTW what about your Gibraltar quote?
SB, it also hasn't helped that JC is an absolute out man, always has been, the Labour party are in absolute turmoil themselves, they are just desperate for an election. They are driven by the momentum movement, they have the man they want in power, but he is not quite towing the line. JC has always wanted us out of the EU, and they all know it but can't quite bring themselves to say it. The Labour Party has become the sacrificial mother ship to the Socialist party, I just wish they could be honest about it. If JC walked away tomorrow and John Mc took his place they would have my vote.What about my Gibraltar quote? I'm not the one who claimed that Spain had backed down. It was my own opinion of what will happen in the future based on the UK making yet another concession to Spain and the Spanish PMs comments.
Once proper negotiations start? If this deal does get through parliament, then the trade negotiations should be much easier compared to the withdrawal agreement, especially if the UK will stay so aligned to the EU in the future.
I'm not bitter about it at all, I am not one going to lose future rights.
I genuinely believe that it's going to be detrimental to the country and that it has been handled dreadfully by people who should never have been in positions of such power in the first place. The whole country's future has been in the hands of the likes of Davis and Raab and both have shown themselves to be utterly clueless.
The letters against May were all just bluster but than goodness it has caused Rees Mogg to look like a fool.
It also won't get through parliament because MPs on both sides believe it would put the UK in a position of weakness in the future, therefore making the problems even worse than they are now.
All that has happened is that any talks that could happen in the future won't include the EU. There are no talks planned. But they spoke as though there are plans to have talks over Gibraltar. Would you like to disagree with me as usual?What about my Gibraltar quote? I'm not the one who claimed that Spain had backed down. It was my own opinion of what will happen in the long term future based on the UK making yet another concession to Spain and the Spanish PMs comments. Even Tim Barrow has said that it's much more vulnerable to Spanish pressure in the long term, it doesn't bode well for the future
Once proper negotiations start? If this deal does get through parliament, then the trade negotiations should be much easier compared to the withdrawal agreement, especially if the UK will stay so aligned to the EU in the future.
I'm not bitter about it at all, I am not one going to lose future rights.
I genuinely believe that it's going to be detrimental to the country and that it has been handled dreadfully by people who should never have been in positions of such power in the first place. The whole country's future has been in the hands of the likes of Davis and Raab and both have shown themselves to be utterly clueless.
The letters against May were all just bluster but than goodness it has caused Rees Mogg to look like a fool.
It also won't get through parliament because MPs on both sides believe it would put the UK in a position of weakness in the future, therefore making the problems even worse than they are now.
And there is the point.
You don't live in the UK. You have lived in Germany most of your life. Yet you think that you should dictate to those who suffer because of EU rules and regulations.
I still think that we should have voted remain. But I fully understand why most didn't. And I am not going to call them idiots just because I don't like the result.
I retire in 9 years maximum. It looks like it is going to fuck my retirement plans up. But does that mean I should ignore those who suffer? But there again you seem to think everyone does well out of us being in the EU.
Well clearly not as you belief such attributes are not applicable - otherwise you’d be horrified a creature of manipulation and misery is sponsoring a campaign
As I’ve said Bannon abd all the other obsessives swirling in your paranoid brain are morally no better or worse then Soros, Clegg or the blood stained Blair creature and his Goebells Campbell
So it’s all even on the morality front
Seeing as most benefit from the EU
Nothing to do with where I live
If most "benefitted" from the EU they would have voted "Remain", but they didn't. They voted "Leave" which proves that most people in the UK DON'T benefit from EU membership.
I'm not talking about 'areas', I'm talking about the people living in those areas and they don't consider they've benefitted which is why they voted leave.But areas that do benefit, for example Cornwall voted leave. Why do you think that was?
If most "benefitted" from the EU they would have voted "Remain", but they didn't. They voted "Leave" which proves that most people in the UK DON'T benefit from EU membership.
I'm not talking about 'areas', I'm talking about the people living in those areas and they don't consider they've benefitted which is why they voted leave.
It's EVERYTHING to do with where you live. You have no idea how ordinary people living in Britain feel.
They may be right that they haven’t benefited. But, they got the reason wrong. The UK is London and the South East, and then the rest. A large part of the rest has been left behind- as confirmed by the latest UN report. They are therefore right to protest, but leaving the EU won’t change that. It will probably make them worse off.
That's whats so tragic about it all, it's not going to make their lives any better. At least eventually it might mean the country has to look at itself rather than blaming others.
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