clint van damme
Well-Known Member
But if they're in an area which is receiving quite generous support from the EU why do you think they consider they're not benefitting? Just curious as to what you think the reason is.
I'm not talking about 'areas', I'm talking about the people living in those areas and they don't consider they've benefitted which is why they voted leave.
All that has happened is that any talks that could happen in the future won't include the EU. There are no talks planned. But they spoke as though there are plans to have talks over Gibraltar. Would you like to disagree with me as usual?
You was prematurely celebrating the demise of May. Now you admit it was all bluster. Welcome again to the world where politicians lie.
I have always said that things could get very difficult for us for a few years at least. But then should improve as we find our feet again. But nobody knows.
You pick up on those politicians who show they don't have a clue. But when they say something agai8Brexit or our future suddenly to you they know what they are talking about.
Nobody knows how good or bad it will end up. We can guess. But as I have said all along the trade that the EU countries does with us isn't just a small amount. Millions of jobs depend on it. And as I also said countless times I can't see the EU biting their nose off to spite their face. They made it as hard as they could to get what they could. That was to be expected. If this gets voted down in parliament I don't have a clue if a better deal would be offered or as they call it a hard Brexit. I don't trust any of them to do the right thing.
But if they're in an area which is receiving quite generous support from the EU why do you think they consider they're not benefitting?
I'm not talking about 'areas', I'm talking about the people living in those areas and they don't consider they've benefitted which is why they voted leave.
The money clearly isn't reaching a majority of people in the area or if it is, then they put other considerations before personal financial benefit.
And by the way that money came originally from UK taxpayers, not from the EU.
That has been one of my arguments for the UK leaving all along, even in the days when I was pro-EU.
The money clearly isn't reaching a majority of people in the area or if it is, then they put other considerations before personal financial benefit.
And by the way that money came originally from UK taxpayers, not from the EU.
And who do you think the EU got the money from?Locally to me iam aware of 2 EU projects, one being renovations to a building and funding of a foodbank and the other to reopen a large homeless help/shelter in central Brighton. There's no way the current government would have funded either of these.
And who do you think the EU got the money from?
And who do you think the EU got the money from?
It depends whether they consider the cost is worth the benefit I suppose, like every other supposedly 'EU funded' project.so do you believe the UK government will match that spend when we leave?
I would ask the question how did Cornwall benefit and how many of the residents benefited from it.But areas that do benefit, for example Cornwall voted leave. Why do you think that was?
But if they're in an area which is receiving quite generous support from the EU why do you think they consider they're not benefitting? Just curious as to what you think the reason is.
Spain doesn't want anything about Gibraltar going through the EU.I believe that Spain and UK will have separately, but the EU I obviously going to back and have solidarity with Spain once the UK is out, I also understand that any future trade deal may not include Gibraltar.
May is far from out of the woods yet and could yet step down if she doesn't get this agreement through parliament. As I've already said, I don't feel like there is a current party that would vote for, so it's not like I would be celebrating anything.
It's mutuality beneficial for the UK and the EU to agree a trade deal, as a country I believe we have a lot in common with our western European neighbours than compared to the USA.
Again where did the money go? What benefit did it have?
I'm aware it would have been made up of contributions to the budget from countries, including the UK.
Do you go to Cornwall much?Cornwall received amounts from the EU similar to those (per capita) that Romania and Bulgaria received (per capita). Things like the Eden project most likely wouldn’t have existed without it and in a county where tourism is the main industry I would think it’s hard to say that Cornwall hasn’t benefited from one of the most visited tourist sites in the U.K.
I wonder if the British government is going to replace that funding once it stops? My guess is Cornwall is going to realise what an own goal it scored by voting leave.
Especially to prove a 'Mart' fact is wrong as usual.You like googling facts. Don’t ask us, just google
Do you go to Cornwall much?
Most of them hate the tourists and can't wait for the holiday season to finish. Yes many make a living out of it. But it is mainly minimum wage.
So they benefited then just like I said.
Would you like to change places with them?
No. But if I lived in Cornwall all my life I wouldn’t want to swap with me either. Really not sure what your point is because no one is forcing them to live in Cornwall.
You claim they 'benefitted' by taking minimum wage jobs that you wouldn't do yourself and then wonder why they didn't vote remain.
Especially to prove a 'Mart' fact is wrong as usual.
Since the UK paid much more into the fund than it paid back it means the money came 100% from the UK.
If the UK GDP drops as a result of Brexit as most predict, do you think the government will support the regions more? The EU does try and support the regions that are struggling. You can argue that some projects are not effective enough, but there is no guarantee that the UK government will replace EU funded projects with anything better. In fact, judging by vast regional disparities in Britain, the government has a bad record of helping many areas. How does leaving help the people in those regions that did get EU support?
Would you like to explain how much cash it is worth and how that cash comes about?The CBI estimate that the net benefit to the UK of EU membership is around 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year. We get more back than we pay in. I can't believe some of this stuff I'm reading here.
Do you try to survive on minimum wage?So they benefited then just like I said. Why do you constantly disagree with people by agreeing with them?
Minimum wage is better than no wage.
There is you in one sentence. You have skills so you don't care. I also have skills. I had to train whilst working up to 80 hours a week. I know how hard it is. I have never forgotten. That is why I do care.They benefit from having a job. Let’s see how it pans out after we leave and see if they would prefer a minimum wage job over no job and benefits. Also I have skills, trained in two trades to be exact so there’s no reason why I would have to take a minimum wage job anyway. It’s not even the reason I wouldn’t swap places. My life is here in Warwickshire and if it come to the crunch I would take a minimum pay job in Warwickshire if my only other choice was benefits the same as I would if my life was in Cornwall. I wouldn’t swap places with someone in Cornwall same as I wouldn’t swap with someone in Chelsea and Kensington.
And why is that Mart?When did you last succeed in that?Your last clip proved that our fishing depended on selling 70% of the catch to the EU. You then didn’t answer my question as to how much of UK GDP the fishing industry represented. You didn’t comment on my point about the uncertainty that Brexit was causing the fish processing industry or their staffing problems.
So we should praise the EU as it (we) paid for what should have been paid for with the money that went to the shareholders instead.A lot of if not most of the money that the government spends on delivering fibre optic speed broadband comes from European funding especially in rural areas. It will cost an estimated £13B to roll out fibre optics nationwide. Which with the benefits to business you would think that (especially when compared to other government projects) would be small fry and help create much needed jobs in rural areas nationwide. Which begs the question why will the government replace the EU money when if they seen it as a priority it wouldn’t be needed in the first place?
There is you in one sentence. You have skills so you don't care. I also have skills. I had to train whilst working up to 80 hours a week. I know how hard it is. I have never forgotten. That is why I do care.
And why is that Mart?
We are not allowed to catch the fish we want in our own water. We are reduced to catching what they want in the EU. And even then the French hate it. Or have you forgotten what happened recently? Most of the fish some EU countries catch is in our water. All down to EU rules. Fantastic eh?
There is another 'Mart' fact for us.
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