According to the latest survey from Warwick University people are realising the benefits now and support for remain in these areas is growing.
Leave voters hit by austerity now realise how EU membership benefits them, study finds
You claim they 'benefitted' by taking minimum wage jobs that you wouldn't do yourself and then wonder why they didn't vote remain.
Christ Polly Toynbee
Yes,that’s her, one of several people pointing out who owns the quotas, the concerns of food processing firms and the importance of tariff free salmon exports, not to mention the movement of fish owing to climate change. But, deny it if you want and see what happens when it comes to negotiations.
Would you like to explain how much cash it is worth and how that cash comes about?
So then tell me how much it would be worth when we are out of the EU and not paying many billions for the privilege.
I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here either. It is as though you believe this amount will be zero once we leave the EU.
What do you even mean? The post you replied to said 'The CBI estimate that the net benefit to the UK of EU membership is around 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year. ' Those numbers at the end '£62bn-£78bn a year' are what the CBI estimate the UK benefits from a year. We get it mostly from having access to a $16.6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people.
Our net contribution 2017 was £8.9bn. Taking the lower CBI estimate it is £62bn - £9bn = £53bn profit. Though if we're out of the EU we obviously won't be getting the CBI's estimated benefits.
If we go to WTO deals commensurate with what we have now GDP is expected to decrease by 8.8%. So that would be GDP - EU contributions - 8.8%. So 1.56tn - 8.9bn - 8.8%.
If you're as smart as you make out then you must have already known this though.
Processed fish exports is the major argument in Norway for joining the EU. IIRC our fish processing industry is bigger than our fishing industry and that’s because we process whole fish from the Norwegian fleet because of the tariffs Norway processors have imposed on them from the EU. Norway will just start selling its fish to another EU country to the cost of our processing industry. Who knows, us leaving might actually prove to the impetus for Norway joining.
Yes, they mention Bremerhaven here in Germany as being the most likely to benefit.
I have bought Der Spiegel magazine today. Front page: Under the party finance scandal of the AfD ( illegal anonymous party donations from billionaires .... sound familiar? Brexit campaign? ), Great Britain - Island of madness, Brexit drags a proud nation into disaster.
Britain is seen here as a sad case, and yet Lord Snooty, Farage, Davis, Lilley, Raab, BoJo etc., and now even May are still trying to polish a turd and sell it to the people.
Yes, they mention Bremerhaven here in Germany as being the most likely to benefit.
I have bought Der Spiegel magazine today. Front page: Under the party finance scandal of the AfD ( illegal anonymous party donations from billionaires .... sound familiar? Brexit campaign? ), Great Britain - Island of madness, Brexit drags a proud nation into disaster.
Britain is seen here as a sad case, and yet Lord Snooty, Farage, Davis, Lilley, Raab, BoJo etc., and now even May are still trying to polish a turd and sell it to the people.
Germans never change do they? Always the master race
Germans never change do they? Always the master race
Talking of Davis considering that he was Brexit minister at the time he asked the stupidest question regarding the divorce bill in the commons today and May just pointed out that he already knew the answer because it was he who negotiated it.
Mind you this is the guy who went into the divorce bill negotiations saying no no it isn’t £39M (or whatever it is) then came out saying yes yes it is £39M. He probably doesn’t even know what day of the week it is and if he does think it’s Monday he probably thinks it’s last Monday
Profit of 63 billion that we wouldn't have made if we were not in the EU?What do you even mean? The post you replied to said 'The CBI estimate that the net benefit to the UK of EU membership is around 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year. ' Those numbers at the end '£62bn-£78bn a year' are what the CBI estimate the UK benefits from a year. We get it mostly from having access to a $16.6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people.
Our net contribution 2017 was £8.9bn. Taking the lower CBI estimate it is £62bn - £9bn = £53bn profit. Though if we're out of the EU we obviously won't be getting the CBI's estimated benefits.
If we go to WTO deals commensurate with what we have now GDP is expected to decrease by 8.8%. So that would be GDP - EU contributions - 8.8%. So 1.56tn - 8.9bn - 8.8%.
If you're as smart as you make out then you must have already known this though.
Of course it is. And also an extremely biased version. Yet another version of why we should hand over untold billions each year to have a massive trade deficit.Is this from the CBI survey and an interpretation of its findings?
Profit of 63 billion that we wouldn't have made if we were not in the EU?
Not true is it though. Unless we do no trade with EU countries after we leave. And that would mean they do no trade with us.
It isn't going to happen is it.
How do you know how it is calculated? Because it is only supposed to be seen one way. Like most of the crap on here.How do you know how that was calculated? Maybe it was allowing for reduced trade because of higher tariffs or the cost of the extra bureaucracy required. Hard to say just looking at the answer without seeing the workings.
Of course it is. And also an extremely biased version. Yet another version of why we should hand over untold billions each year to have a massive trade deficit.
Profit of 63 billion that we wouldn't have made if we were not in the EU?
Not true is it though. Unless we do no trade with EU countries after we leave. And that would mean they do no trade with us.
It isn't going to happen is it.
How do you know how it is calculated? Because it is only supposed to be seen one way. Like most of the crap on here.
Talking of Davis considering that he was Brexit minister at the time he asked the stupidest question regarding the divorce bill in the commons today and May just pointed out that he already knew the answer because it was he who negotiated it.
Mind you this is the guy who went into the divorce bill negotiations saying no no it isn’t £39M (or whatever it is) then came out saying yes yes it is £39M. He probably doesn’t even know what day of the week it is and if he does think it’s Monday he probably thinks it’s last Monday
Who and who was?And to think certain posters on here were suggesting him as an ideal Brexit Pm.
And to think certain posters on here were suggesting him as an ideal Brexit Pm.
After seeing PMQs today I rather doubt it.I have a feeling it will get passed through parliament but then go downhill quickly when the proper negotiations start.
You wanted everyone to take what was said as gospal as always. Whereas I want proof. I want proof on both sides. You only want proof from one side.I don’t. I didn’t say I did, but I presume that the CBI employed some methodology as they will have published a report to back the figures up. Can’t be too difficult to google, but just say something against it because it doesn’t fit your view.... as with the fish, as with infrastructure being neglected by successive governments, as with there being no IT specialists being queue jumped by Romanian car washers. Just repeat the catch phrases you found in the Brexit media....
Not failed to understand. Pointing out we don't have the details. But of course as we don't have the details it is open to be twisted by people like yourself.It says benefit not profit doesn’t it? What was our total exports with the EU worth in 2017? I’ll give you a clue. It’s many many times more than £63B. I think once again you’ve failed to understand what’s been presented to you.
Membership fee?Yes. Everyone is biased. All the so-called experts, the foreign press, the government’s own impact statements, the BoE, the haulier industry, the customs officials, the civil service, the port authorities etc... all of them remainers just trying to belittle the Brexit that honourable people like Banks, Wigmore, Farage, Davis, BoJo etc. promised us. Untold billions? Where did you find that quote? The “membership fee” is calculated as a percentage of GDP. Anyone can check it out.
It could well be like on here. Those who shout the loudest are in the minority.After seeing PMQs today I rather doubt it.
And I wondered why I had you blocked :wideyed:but just say something against it because it doesn’t fit your view.... as with the fish, as with infrastructure being neglected by successive governments, as with there being no IT specialists being queue jumped by Romanian car washers. Just repeat the catch phrases you found in the Brexit media....
And I wondered why I had you blocked :wideyed:
Fishing.....show me where I am wrong.
Infrastructure neglected by successive governments. Show me where I am wrong.
People with skills we need not being able to get into the UK because they don't have an EU passport? You say the evidence. How about proving it wrong.
That is your problem. None of it is bullshit. And I couldn't tell you what pro Brexit propaganda is like as I don't go looking for it like you do. I have seen nothing about Farage other than from a few posters on here.
Using facts is not a strong point for you.
It could well be like on here. Those who shout the loudest are in the minority.
Not failed to understand. Pointing out we don't have the details. But of course as we don't have the details it is open to be twisted by people like yourself.
Or if you know how it was all worked out and what it actually means would you like to share it with us?
Even a most basic details such as how many billions of trade were done with the EU in 2017 would help you.
Membership fee?
So what do we call it for the majority that take money out? Do they have a minus GDP?
Most of it one-way, with Germany being the biggest offender.
Most of it one-way, with Germany being the biggest offender.
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