chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Brexit means brexit.
Brexit means brexit.715 pages. 25,000 posts.
What have we learned, if anything at all?
And no deal is better than a bad deal, even though this bad deal is being palmed off as a good deal.Brexit means brexit.
Well, you know that is not true. They reached their peak of 52% in June 2016 and it’s been downhill for most of the time since then. Latest figures 54% remain and 46% leave. Chances of May’s Brexit, virtually nil. GE virtually nil. Referendum with remain on the ballot, support growing.
Do you not read or listen or watch what is happening?
Of course it’s true. Many remain voters despise the EU but are too terrified of the consequences of leaving
Many abused wives remain with the abuser - it does not mean they are happy
I hate also to break to you but the poll gap last time was much stronger on the remain side - and they still lost
Thanks for telling us how we think
Of course it’s true. Many remain voters despise the EU but are too terrified of the consequences of leaving
Many abused wives remain with the abuser - it does not mean they are happy
I hate also to break to you but the poll gap last time was much stronger on the remain side - and they still lost
Because of an intense targeted campaign of dodgy ads in the short run up to the vote. Things returned to remain not long afterwards. If you equate the EU to a wife batterer, what do you equate scoundrels like Bannon ( wife batterer ), BoJo ( multiple philanderer ) and Farage ( collection of EU women to )?
Will the lies work twice in a row? Are the public more aware? Some are and more leavers are reportedly changing their minds to remain than the other way round. Being terrified of an economic collapse and maybe losing your livelihood seems a good enough reason for voting remain in a second referendum.
So the targeted dodgy lies have been “exposed” and if anything the pre referendum polls suggest a higher percentage of leave voters even the day before the referendum in 2016
Can you explain that?
You and Mart do it all the time
Because of an intense targeted campaign of dodgy ads in the short run up to the vote. Things returned to remain not long afterwards. If you equate the EU to a wife batterer, what do you equate scoundrels like Bannon ( wife batterer ), BoJo ( multiple philanderer ) and Farage ( collection of EU women to )?
Will the lies work twice in a row? Are the public more aware? Some are and more leavers are reportedly changing their minds to remain than the other way round. Being terrified of an economic collapse and maybe losing your livelihood seems a good enough reason for voting remain in a second referendum.
Even if I did why have you just done so?
You might find this interesting:
So the targeted dodgy lies have been “exposed” and if anything the pre referendum polls suggest a higher percentage of leave voters even the day before the referendum in 2016
Can you explain that?
I find it wrong as the poll of polls even on the actual day had the result at 52 48 in favour of remain
Of the six main polls the day before 4 had a wider margin in fact of the 168 polls less than 10% predicted a remain defeat and I believe none ever said it would be the margin it ended up as
Wonderful - a vile misogynist that despises females. Nice one
You might find this interesting:
What has that got to do with the content?
Grendel says it’s crap.
Looking forward to a second referendum to prove your point? Or scared of a referendum?
Are you serious. Why not get the blood stained Blair creature to do one as well?
Are you serious. Why not get the blood stained Blair creature to do one as well?
But this is your answer to everything. Not one person is perfect, does that mean that they cannot have an opinion? Play the ball not the man. Argue why he is wrong in the statements he makes.
I don’t care who points out the disgusting Brexit Press propaganda that copies Nazi propaganda or Farage‘s breaking point that copied Nazi propaganda. The point is that disgusting propaganda was used to frighten people and „press their buttons“. Not surprised that you distract.
One person is perfect... Grendel. And no he can’t say why Fry, or Blair for that matter, is wrong in his arguments. Distract. Insult. Lie. The usual Grendel tactics.
I assume if it was remain by a similar tiny percentage you would accept a further referendum would be required two years later?
No, because the status quo will have been maintained and the immediate threat of economic chaos and the, at least short term, downfall will have been avoided. To go back to Brexit having avoided it would be madness.
We’ve had that. Very biased and not convincing arguments. Weak attempt to distract from massive propaganda.
And there we have it.
An emergency budget? A European army? Immediate recession after the result?
This is why people ignore you.
I never quoted any of those points. People obviously don’t ignore me otherwise you wouldn’t be on here insulting me.
Exactly. Why would anyone want to inflict damage on their own country? The subject was only bought up to pacify the right of the Tories. The voters were used to further a political ideology. The real problems for millions will not be solved by leaving the EU, in fact they may get worse. I would like see the problems of wealth and opportunity disparity tackled... from within the EU instead of leaving and aiming for a neo liberal free for all which stands to make the rich richer and will do nothing for the poor, apart from some cosmetic touches. E.g. blue passports, a Brexit 50p and the Polish neighbours being replaced by commonwealth ones.
I’m not insulting you. You said these aren’t lies. Aren’t they?
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