skybluegod
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Isn't this out of date? Would ignore this unless it is after the deal with the EU was released...
Sorry if this was released after, but can't tell as you have just copied the table not the link
Isn't this out of date? Would ignore this unless it is after the deal with the EU was released...
Sorry if this was released after, but can't tell as you have just copied the table not the link
It's behind a paywall on the Times' site. Brexit poll shows growing number believe Leave vote was a mistake
Article dated today, survey commissioned by the Times.
If you say so.
It's possible to argue that she has to pander to the more vocal, more, errrm, extreme end of her party to try and get things through. The moderates, by definition are, well, moderate, and tend to fall into line more easily.She has forced us into this shitty position because of her determination to end freedom of movement. 'queue jumpers', 'citizens of nowhere', Windrush, 'go home' vans, 'hostile environment'.
No, sorry, no sympathy from me.
It's possible to argue that she has to pander to the more vocal, more, errrm, extreme end of her party to try and get things through. The moderates, by definition are, well, moderate, and tend to fall into line more easily.
Her biggest mistake was choosing to become Prime Minister after Cameron - whoever ended up there was on a hiding to nothing. Cameron's stupidity has put his party and the country in this position and it's amazing he escapes as much as he does.
It's possible to argue that she has to pander to the more vocal, more, errrm, extreme end of her party to try and get things through. The moderates, by definition are, well, moderate, and tend to fall into line more easily.
Her biggest mistake was choosing to become Prime Minister after Cameron - whoever ended up there was on a hiding to nothing. Cameron's stupidity has put his party and the country in this position and it's amazing he escapes as much as he does.
It's possible to argue that she has to pander to the more vocal, more, errrm, extreme end of her party to try and get things through. The moderates, by definition are, well, moderate, and tend to fall into line more easily.
Her biggest mistake was choosing to become Prime Minister after Cameron - whoever ended up there was on a hiding to nothing. Cameron's stupidity has put his party and the country in this position and it's amazing he escapes as much as he does.
That is indeed where I struggle to defend her!I'd agree with you if she hadn't displayed the same sort of behaviour as home secretary.
tbf I feel a bit sorry for May. As you say, nobody's happy, but finding something a majority *would* accept is easier said than done.
I still fail to see how Cameron can escape responsibility?
He arrogantly assumed Remain would win, then disappeared with his tail between his legs after the result and left it for someone else to deal with when it backfired.
Surely, there should be some form of him having to answer for his actions?
YawnShe has forced us into this shitty position because of her determination to end freedom of movement. 'queue jumpers', 'citizens of nowhere', Windrush, 'go home' vans, 'hostile environment'.
No, sorry, no sympathy from me.
She fucked up her last job too.....maybe if she had done that properly we wouldn't be where we are !Mrs May has screwed up at so many points along the way over the last two years that it is difficult to conclude anything other than she is the worst PM in living memory.
Yawn
I have avoided this but the way our parliment and it's members are acting is bewildering. Sovreinty lies with the people. The people voted and we must leave.
The patronising comments by many a politician and others is galling. I understood the vote. Leave or stay.
For me personally it was not about 'making a deal'. The WTO rules are clear and we would be fine leaving on that basis. Far too much emphasis has been weighted in assuming the EU is all so powerful and without it we would struggle economically. That's simply not true.
The level of fear mongering is palable. So I'm a leaver yes, but not for economical, freedom of movement or any other multitude of reasons but one. Sovreinty bringing with it our independence and being in control of our own destiny, rules, laws and not dictated to by outsiders.
I have avoided this but the way our parliment and it's members are acting is bewildering. Sovreinty lies with the people. The people voted and we must leave.
The patronising comments by many a politician and others is galling. I understood the vote. Leave or stay.
For me personally it was not about 'making a deal'. The WTO rules are clear and we would be fine leaving on that basis. Far too much emphasis has been weighted in assuming the EU is all so powerful and without it we would struggle economically. That's simply not true.
The level of fear mongering is palable. So I'm a leaver yes, but not for economical, freedom of movement or any other multitude of reasons but one. Sovreinty bringing with it our independence and being in control of our own destiny, rules, laws and not dictated to by outsiders.
Actually parliament is sovereign.
I have avoided this but the way our parliment and it's members are acting is bewildering. Sovreinty lies with the people. The people voted and we must leave.
The patronising comments by many a politician and others is galling. I understood the vote. Leave or stay.
For me personally it was not about 'making a deal'. The WTO rules are clear and we would be fine leaving on that basis. Far too much emphasis has been weighted in assuming the EU is all so powerful and without it we would struggle economically. That's simply not true.
The level of fear mongering is palable. So I'm a leaver yes, but not for economical, freedom of movement or any other multitude of reasons but one. Sovreinty bringing with it our independence and being in control of our own destiny, rules, laws and not dictated to by outsiders.
Actually parliament is sovereign.
Yeah it's just that sugar !Do you disagree with my statement? Care to elaborate? Or is it another 'my village is getting bigger, fuck the EU' situation?
I am sure that we would be allowed to remain.
However, the complete reversal of the referendum could unleash something dreadful in the UK and massively increase nationalism. Therefore for me the most sensible compromise between the 2 would be membership of the EEA with the ability to apply a brake on migration if the country could demonstrate it was negatively impacting the country.
I would also invest in areas that have been left behind and ignored by those in charge. Whenever I venture up north from the south coast the state of the country is a massive contrast with it down here, again, its a domestic policy of being London-centric.
There are just too many uninformed people who were trusted to make a decision this serious. Ban referendums forever.
Perhaps we should also have an intelligence test as to who can vote in general elections as well? Sounds like s plan.
I'm in.
I have avoided this but the way our parliment and it's members are acting is bewildering. Sovreinty lies with the people. The people voted and we must leave.
The patronising comments by many a politician and others is galling. I understood the vote. Leave or stay.
For me personally it was not about 'making a deal'. The WTO rules are clear and we would be fine leaving on that basis. Far too much emphasis has been weighted in assuming the EU is all so powerful and without it we would struggle economically. That's simply not true.
The level of fear mongering is palable. So I'm a leaver yes, but not for economical, freedom of movement or any other multitude of reasons but one. Sovreinty bringing with it our independence and being in control of our own destiny, rules, laws and not dictated to by outsiders.
Totally. Mate you're a genius. Let's do this!I’m sure you are. So do you believe everyone should have a vote in a general election who are of the minimum age - or like say Stalin would claim - they need a certain intelligence to do so?
"To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step to knowledge" (Benjamin Disraeli)If people, including parliament, parliament being sovereign not the people, want another referendum then it’s democratic to give them one. Finality is not the language of democracy. ( Benjamin Disraeli ).
"I seem, then, in just this little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either." - Plato's Apology of Socrates"To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step to knowledge" (Benjamin Disraeli)
Hahaha. You really are hilarious. For you to talk about my kids reaction and that I'm angry about something is your desparate way of trying to justify your own sad , lonely life.I have never mentioned how well or not my pub is doing. You said I was sneering at pub goers. I had to answer that crap. Astute mentioned about people moving in and complaining about the noise from existing properties and I agreed with him and gave my example and mentioned an event in my pub . Why I mentioned pubs in your case is the timing of your aggressive and ill informed posts. As you say, you come on for entertainment. It seems that, judging by your behaviour, the entertainment is coming on after a few pints ( no, I cannot know that for a fact ), and having a go at someone who has a different point of view from yourself. We all know you voted leave for your kids. It is not going well and has split the country. You even said your kids aren’t bothered. You are obviously angry about that, and then you ask me if I‘m insecure. Weird.
Same old, same old.Yes, but unfortunately not all leavers would accept Norway. Many remainers would, if it meant we could move on.
Me and my ilk would like a second referendum, but would only be happy if there was a majority decision,say, of 60% plus. Either way actually. What do people like me gain if it is 52/48 again, but for remain? The country is still split and there is no clear mandate for remain. The uncertainty and the rage continues, just the people saying „you lost, get over it“ will have changed.
Everyone knows this stuff. Do you think they're all thick ?Explain how WTO is fine please. An example: 90% of Welsh Lamb gets exported to the EU with no tariffs. WTO tariff on lamb is 40%. Do you think the Welsh farmers will be 'fine'?
Parliament is sovereign. Not the people. We have the sovereign right to trigger or revoke article 50. That was confirmed
2 days ago by the EU. Our sovereignty was confirmed by our parliament in the first sentence of the Brexit white paper. Most EU laws since the EU starte, well over 90%, were approved by us and 2% voted against by us. In other words EU laws are our laws. Most laws are not EU laws. We will struggle outside the EU. 35 of the UN countries are classed as advanced economies, 27 of which are in Europe and the EU has comprehensive trade deals with 4 of the rest. The Europeans are our neighbours and our goods are exported tariff free and frictionless. What laws are dictated to us by outsiders where we have no say?
Yes. Me and grendel are on it though so don't sweat it.Everyone knows this stuff. Do you think they're all thick ?
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