But you call people thick for not knowing everything. So maybe you should hold off with your insults.
Most opinion polls are done on the street or online these days. Is a passport/voting right ever shown when answering questions on a poll?
Little changes. Letter to newspaper 1918.
Only 3000 for Tommy.
Only a few arrests. Also, not many turned up and they were completely outnumbered by people opposed to them. A total humiliation for the far right and a disaster for leave supporters. Hundreds of thousands turned up for remain and a couple of thousand for Brexit.
do you really believe that? no one arrested in the brexit march yet the counter protest had multiple arrests. what does that tell you? do you really think only two thousand people were on the brexit march? really?
No. It was reported 3000. But, I‘d say there were probably more looking at the photos. 3 arrests were reported.
There was a damn sight more than 3000, probably at least double that I'd say but still Owen Jones made himself look the clown that he has become. He may have some valid points as regarding the super rich on other occasions but he let himself down badly with that diatribe of bullshit.No. It was reported 3000. But, I‘d say there were probably more looking at the photos. 3 arrests were reported.
My mini rant?
Yes my words. If they do their polls somewhere like London they will have a good chance of asking a lot of people not allowed to vote.
But you can look at it other ways. We will ignore the chance of asking those not allowed to vote. If they did their polls in Ireland or Scotland they would most probably get a remain result. Especially in Scotland as remain was a landslide there. Both of them voted to remain. If they ask the same question in England they would most probably get a leave result. More than 52% of England voted leave. It was 53.4%. Nearly 2m more people voted leave than remain in England.
But why should Scotland have to leave when 62% voted remain?
But there again why should England have to remain because Scotland wants to leave? The largest amount of population to vote was England. 73% of those able to vote did.
Look at the map of those who voted leave or remain. All of Scotland is yellow. Every area voted remain. Then look at England. Only London and a few other places are yellow. Nearly everywhere voted leave.
EU Referendum Results
Yet the polls before the referendum said we wanted to remain. So what are your thoughts on why the polls were so wrong? Because you 100% disagree that it could be down to who they ask.
Those previous referendum results when looked at again show to me that there is a huge disparity in the haves and have nots in the vote. The wealthier and more foreign born areas of the UK voted Remain but the people who feel they have been let down and have been marginalised by the inequality in the country voted Leave. That is obviously a generalisation and many had all sorts of reasons for voting either way.
What it does highlight however, is the potential for unrest if the vote was simply overturned to suit the political classes, the wealthy and the academics of the South.
Those previous referendum results when looked at again show to me that there is a huge disparity in the haves and have nots in the vote. The wealthier and more foreign born areas of the UK voted Remain but the people who feel they have been let down and have been marginalised by the inequality in the country voted Leave. That is obviously a generalisation and many had all sorts of reasons for voting either way.
What it does highlight however, is the potential for unrest if the vote was simply overturned to suit the political classes, the wealthy and the academics of the South.
Those previous referendum results when looked at again show to me that there is a huge disparity in the haves and have nots in the vote. The wealthier and more foreign born areas of the UK voted Remain but the people who feel they have been let down and have been marginalised by the inequality in the country voted Leave. That is obviously a generalisation and many had all sorts of reasons for voting either way.
What it does highlight however, is the potential for unrest if the vote was simply overturned to suit the political classes, the wealthy and the academics of the South.
reported by who? you come here bragging only 3,000 turned up and it was a disaster. clearly bullshit. as for arrests all on the ‘counter demo’ the left wing showed there true colours Sunday whereas normal folk who attended the march were peaceful and well behaved. yet none of this is reported. shows you had bad main stream media are
No deal would be disruptive for sure but not the armageddon some would have you believe and it would save the country a lot of money to be able to deal with it wouldn't it ?! I E circa £39 billion Pounds to start with. In this event it would quickly motivate the big exporters to the UK to get some bureaucracy in place pronto hence frustrating the EU and their middle men all powerful status.I think you're right. Which is why, in my opinion, we're now in the ludicrous position where no deal would probably be less damaging long term.
The Director general of the WTO recently gave a football analogy to describe the UK leaving with no deal, he said it would be like dropping from the first to fourth division.
So there's the choice, an economic basket case or massive civil unrest. It beggars belief.
I think you're right. Which is why, in my opinion, we're now in the ludicrous position where no deal would probably be less damaging long term.
The Director general of the WTO recently gave a football analogy to describe the UK leaving with no deal, he said it would be like dropping from the first to fourth division.
So there's the choice, an economic basket case or massive civil unrest. It beggars belief.
You're not going to convince ordinary people that your class war is the only way. Besides if those types are then seen to be the problem after we have disposed of the EU then those types will be the next to be targeted aggressively.The thing is that if you are right that the marginalized people voted leave, it is not them that will profit by leaving. They have been told that the EU controls us and that’s why we are where we are. It isn’t.
The USA and Russia also have millions of marginalised people and they are not in the EU.
It is not just an EU thing and leaving the EU won’t make the poor any richer. Davis going straight to the Heritage Foundation or Mogg‘s investment firm opening EU funds in Dublin are not signs of helping the marginalised.
The whole debate has now put the poorer people to the back for over 2,5 years.
That is the irony. They should be asking how people like Rees Mogg are so much richer than working people?
His deregulation plans would put them at the mercy of investors like his clients.
There must be a backlash against the leaders of Brexit at some time.
It wasn't a massive march for the fact that the people voted for Brexit and the people are waiting for it to be implemented......if its not however.......I don’t write the reports. I am not bragging about anything, although it was not a massive march by any standards.
You're not going to convince ordinary people that your class war is the only way. Besides if those types are then seen to be the problem after we have disposed of the EU then those types will be the next to be targeted aggressively.
No deal would be disruptive for sure but not the armageddon some would have you believe and it would save the country a lot of money to be able to deal with it wouldn't it ?! I E circa £39 billion Pounds to start with. In this event it would quickly motivate the big exporters to the UK to get some bureaucracy in place pronto hence frustrating the EU and their middle men all powerful status.
It wasn't a massive march for the fact that the people voted for Brexit and the people are waiting for it to be implemented......if its not however.......
I have asked several times on here for someone to tell me why trading soley under the WTO wouldn't be a disaster.
I haven't had one salient answer.
The irony being that the inequality will continue to exponentially increase and the poor and marginalised will be made more poor and be marginalised more coming out of the eu. Certainly by any Tory governmentThose previous referendum results when looked at again show to me that there is a huge disparity in the haves and have nots in the vote. The wealthier and more foreign born areas of the UK voted Remain but the people who feel they have been let down and have been marginalised by the inequality in the country voted Leave. That is obviously a generalisation and many had all sorts of reasons for voting either way.
What it does highlight however, is the potential for unrest if the vote was simply overturned to suit the political classes, the wealthy and the academics of the South.
I did say things would be very disruptive and perhaps chaotic for a while and I think you probably know more than me about the nitty gritty of trade deals........all that said this would be a very unique situation and for the good of all, people would have to pull fingers out of arses for a change.I have asked several times on here for someone to tell me why trading soley under the WTO wouldn't be a disaster.
I haven't had one salient answer.
Your post sounds along the lines of Liam Fox's assertion that we would sign dozens of trade deals the day after leaving. I don't think even he is trotting that one out any more seen as the average trade deal takes 18 months to negotiate and 4 years to implement.
Even if we can half that it's 9 months and 2 years.
And there can't be any thwarting under WTO rules, nor favours either, although it does go on and lead to disputes but they can take decades to resolve. You trade in line with your schedules until you agree a trade deal so the line about powerful EU middle men is empty rhetoric. They can allow us something which I think is called unilateral contingency and Barnier has indicated they will which will help in the case of a no deal but I think this only applies to service industries.
You'll notice there's a lot of I thinks in there so as I've always said, happy to be corrected on anything I've said.
I did say things would be very disruptive and perhaps chaotic for a while and I think you probably know more than me about the nitty gritty of trade deals........all that said this would be a very unique situation and for the good of all, people would have to pull fingers out of arses for a change.
Yeah we will......you pal on the other hand are pegging it to Italy !!:woot:Yeah can see it now, we all have to work harder and make sacrifices to put the great back into Great Britain...goodbye current working regulations
I think we are going down the road of hung parliaments for some time......they're all frigging useless and not to be trusted. No one will surely trust Corbyn as he sits on that proverbial fence like a vulture while Rome burns !The irony being that the inequality will continue to exponentially increase and the poor and marginalised will be made more poor and be marginalised more coming out of the eu. Certainly by any Tory government
I did say things would be very disruptive and perhaps chaotic for a while and I think you probably know more than me about the nitty gritty of trade deals........all that said this would be a very unique situation and for the good of all, people would have to pull fingers out of arses for a change.
'unilateral contingency and Barnier has indicated they will which will help in the case of a no deal but I think this only applies to service industries'.
This is precisely the sort of option I can see being expanded and rolled out. Look, at the end of the day once the EU have been finally pushed aside the industrialists and money men will want this shit sorted out. The EU's problem of course will be trying to stop others opting out which has always been their biggest fear.
Ultimately this will be a matter of whether the government is prepared to betray the leave vote and risk not only the inevitable civil unrest but also alienating millions of their supporters.
Of the options currently available, a WTO Brexit is the only one that honours the result.
A strong leader with a sensible negotiating strategy would have focussed minds on a WTO Brexit from day one and would almost certainly have achieved considerably better than that by now.
Ultimately this will be a matter of whether the government is prepared to betray the leave vote and risk not only the inevitable civil unrest but also alienating millions of their supporters.
Of the options currently available, a WTO Brexit is the only one that honours the result.
A strong leader with a sensible negotiating strategy would have focussed minds on a WTO Brexit from day one and would almost certainly have achieved considerably better than that by now.
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