1 in 4 people in the UK are not UKIP voters.
No but in the last euro elections 25% voted UKIP BNP and anti Europe party.
Consider this - In the last general election UKIP attracted more votes than sturgeon and the liberals together. So the anti EU party was more popular than Sturgeon and the liberals and yet we are supposed to take the SNP views seriously.
Can English, Welsh and Northern Irish voters vote for the SNP?
Pisses me off that the people who took the court action wish to ignore the will of the people. Parliament had better not do that.
Even if a vote was taken I doubt the MPs would ignore the referendum result, I'd expect the Torys to be whipped to vote Brexit, what the rest do is debatable, but I imagine there would be more than enough Brexit votes from the other parties to overturn any Tory rebels (probably none, maybe an abstention or 2).
If it comes to it I bet the SNP vote remain, bunch of chancers that they are.
Pisses me off that the people who took the court action wish to ignore the will of the people. Parliament had better not do that.
As the people elected parliament to represent them, parliament *is* the will of the people.
As the people elected parliament to represent them, parliament *is* the will of the people.
It would interesting if the country was split into regions with some retaining access to the single market and the 4 freedoms.
why? The referendum vote wasn't split along those lines.If MPs and/or parliament block brexit then I seriously will admit to a possibility of a northern england and southern England country split.
I wonder if areas like Sunderland would maintain that view with large companies like Nissan thinking twice about their long term future? Knowing what they know now will make any local constituency think twiceEven if a vote was taken I doubt the MPs would ignore the referendum result, I'd expect the Torys to be whipped to vote Brexit, what the rest do is debatable, but I imagine there would be more than enough Brexit votes from the other parties to overturn any Tory rebels (probably none, maybe an abstention or 2).
If it comes to it I bet the SNP vote remain, bunch of chancers that they are.
Pisses me off that the people who took the court action wish to ignore the will of the people. Parliament had better not do that.
you're average mackem will think what the sun tells him to think.I wonder if areas like Sunderland would maintain that view with large companies like Nissan thinking twice about their long term future? Knowing what they know now will make any local constituency think twice
Maybe but it's down to the politicians now howeveryou're average mackem will think what the sun tells him to think.
that's who I was on aboutMaybe but it's down to the politicians now however
why? The referendum vote wasn't split along those lines.
It almost was. I didn't mean specifically but something along those lines. The result will stand but I repeat what I am worried about is a watered down version to suit.
MPs are supposed to represent their constituency. The Scots voted remain so shouldn't their MPs vote the same?If it comes to it I bet the SNP vote remain, bunch of chancers that they are.
Consider this..
The government was formed with approx 37% of the electorate voting for them on a 66% turnout.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
In the referendum 51.9% voted leave on a turnout of 72.2%
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
I think the referendum has a much stronger case.
MPs are supposed to represent their constituency. The Scots voted remain so shouldn't their MPs vote the same?
What does the referendum act actually state?
The act legislated for a referendum to be held in the United Kingdom and Gibraltar on whether to remain a member of the EU, to be conducted by the Electoral Commission and overseen by an appointed "Chief Counting Officer" (CCO) and a "Deputy chief counting officer" (DCCO) who will declare the final result for the United Kingdom and by regulation orders the Secretary of State to appoint a date for the holding of the referendum under the following circumstances:
• The Referendum must be held no later than 31 December 2017.
• The Referendum cannot be held on 5 May 2016 or 4 May 2017.
The Electoral Commission is the public body under the terms of the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 that was given the task to raise public awareness ahead of polling day, and to oversee the conduct of the referendum.
The act made no provision for the result to be legally binding on the government or on any future government. The result of the referendum was to be a single majority vote of the United Kingdom and Gibraltar with no super majorities, double majorities of the constituent countries or any minimum turnout threshold required for the vote to pass. The act did not specify any specific consequences that would follow the result of the referendum. In the event of a "Leave" vote, the government would decide whether, when, and under what circumstances, the UK would invoke Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union to begin a two-year process of negotiations for Britain to leave the EU. European Union law would remain enforceable in the United Kingdom unless the European Communities Act 1972 were repealed.
This Bill required a referendum to be held on the question of the UK’s continued membership of the European Union before the end of 2017. It did not contain any requirement for the UK Government to implement the results of the referendum, nor set a time limit by which a vote to leave the EU should be implemented. Instead, this is a type of referendum known as pre-legislative or consultative, which enables the electorate to voice an opinion which then influences the Government in its policy decisions. The referendums held in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 1997 and 1998 are examples of this type, where opinion was tested before legislation was introduced. The UK does not have constitutional provisions which would require the results of a referendum to be implemented, unlike, for example, the Republic of Ireland, where the circumstances in which a binding referendum should be held are set out in its constitution. In contrast, the legislation which provided for the referendum held on AV in May 2011 would have implemented the new system of voting without further legislation, provided that the boundary changes also provided for in the Parliamentary Voting System and Constituency Act 2011 were also implemented. In the event, there was a substantial majority against any change. The 1975 referendum was held after the re-negotiated terms of the UK’s EC membership had been agreed by all EC Member States and the terms set out in a command paper and agreed by both Houses.
MPs are supposed to represent their constituency. The Scots voted remain so shouldn't their MPs vote the same?
The problems we're seeing now are a result of not thinking through all possible outcomes. Simple examples being Northern Ireland and Scotland both voted remain yet will be forced to leave or the fact that leave won with 34% of the voting eligible population voting leave. You could make an argument for the vote requiring all countries of the union to vote leave or that a majority of the voting eligible population was required. But these are conversations that should have taken place as soon as it was decided there would be a referendum. The complications now are a result of just charging ahead with the referendum because Cameron thought he'd get an easy win.
If the electorate have voted a particular way and you represent them then you should act according to their wishes. Doesn't matter what party you're in.The vast majority of constituencies actually voted to leave - especially in labour held seats - so are you saying labour should have a policy to leave?
If MPs and/or parliament block brexit then I seriously will admit to a possibility of a northern england and southern England country split.
why? The referendum vote wasn't split along those lines.
I touched on this a few weeks ago and was told to be quiet. The only problem the north would have is emigration. You could have 52% of the country though.
It's all game play. The end result will be the compromise that parliament want. Leave the EU but remain in the single market as part of the European Economic Area which means free movement of people, a contribution to the EU and no say what so ever in the EU. The payoff being passporting continues protecting the financial markets in London, no year's of painful trade negotiations with the EU and our financial contributions to the EU drastically reduced. So unless you're a racist who doesn't like imigrunts it should be what most people would probably like. Out of the EU, keep all the benefits of trade, drastically reduce the money that we put into the EU. Just like Norway really.
It's all game play. The end result will be the compromise that parliament want. Leave the EU but remain in the single market as part of the European Economic Area which means free movement of people, a contribution to the EU and no say what so ever in the EU. The payoff being passporting continues protecting the financial markets in London, no year's of painful trade negotiations with the EU and our financial contributions to the EU drastically reduced. So unless you're a racist who doesn't like imigrunts it should be what most people would probably like. Out of the EU, keep all the benefits of trade, drastically reduce the money that we put into the EU.
So anyone who has a view on immigration other than open borders is a racist?
So, astute, for example is a racist in your eyes?
Not what I said was it. Try reading again.
that's the way I see it going, but a lot of Brexiters won't be happy that the free movement of people continues.
Think a lot of them fail to see that it will be a small price to pay to ensure that we keep the EU passport and 22% of the GDP doesn't jump on the plane to Frankfurt!
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