I certainly wouldn’t work together to crash the country. The more the Brexit fiasco carries on the more it’s failings become obvious.
People like you, no.
Only absolute nutters vote from someone other than the big two/three parties in FPTP.
You can tell this because all the Remainers voted Labour in 2017 despite Labour saying they’d honour the referendum.
I love getting lectured on impartiality by someone who isn’t impartial themself. Everyone has their biases.
Like a suicide pact that one party ratted on. LOLLiberals agreeing not to stand in seats where they'd split the vote against Conservatives
A Farage party will have as much success as Farage himself under FPTP. He has the backing of the Brexit press, especially the Daily Express, but he is so toxic for „ normal“ voters, any party he is involved with won’t win any seats in U.K. elections.
If we’ve not left by the time of the next GE, a serious, credible Brexit Party headed by anyone including Farage would wreak havoc for the two major parties, especially Labour imo, whose MPs in no way reflect the views of their constituents on Brexit.
If we’ve not left by the time of the next GE, a serious, credible Brexit Party headed by anyone including Farage would wreak havoc for the two major parties, especially Labour imo, whose MPs in no way reflect the views of their constituents on Brexit.
Yes. At least I get out there and say what I want and why. I don’t pretend to be neutral.
A second referendum would actually be better for leavers if you are right as it bypasses representative democracy and asks the voter directly.
A second referendum would actually be better for leavers if you are right as it bypasses representative democracy and asks the voter directly.
Yes which option of leave the public prefer as the original referendum result was always confirmed as being honoured
So a range of options should be available and the public decide the leave option which best suits
Why not have a two stage referendum? Remain vs Leave and if Leave won (if it is truly the ‘will of people’, it will), then a run off between ‘no deal’ and whatever the deal is on the table.
If there’s a referendum, a Remain option will be on the ballot, we all know that.
Fancy letting people have a say...as people don’t like it
Because we’ve already had the decision which the government of the day committed to make happen
The only reason it’s on there is to usurp the original decision as people don’t like it
Do you really think that proposal will pass through Parliament? Let’s not kid ourselves, it wouldn’t.
My proposal or a so-called ‘People’s Vote’ would pass through Parliament if a major party would lend its weight to it.
Tories aren’t going for a CU, so Labour wont support it. The Government is trying again in the hope of wooing the DUP and Tory Rebels by promising to end the backstop. The EU and Irish Government have all said no to a renegotiation today. Parliament is going to veto the prospect of a no deal.
Let’s have an honest and frank exchange of ideas, what is next? Personally, I can’t really see an alternative to a second referendum.
You are so pro Labour that you want nothing said against them.You’re completely sweeping that allegation under the carpe.
You are so pro Labour that you want nothing said against them.
Why don't you check the history on the subject. He kept bringing up antisemitism in the Labour party. He kept bringing up much more. He has reported the allegation himself to someone independent. Something the Labour party refused to do.
And while people like you defend those in the Labour party and deflect onto those who report them for it when it is clearly known about it will.continue to happen.
Axe to grind?There’s some really shitty anti-semetism on the left (nothing like the right bit still), but Woodcock was doing it all for politicial reasons, he’s been one of the shittier anti-Corbyn MPs.
I’m sure he’s a lovely bloke in person, but not sure that’s really relevant. He’s clearly got an axe to grind.
There’s some really shitty anti-semetism on the left (nothing like the right bit still), but Woodcock was doing it all for politicial reasons, he’s been one of the shittier anti-Corbyn MPs.
I’m sure he’s a lovely bloke in person, but not sure that’s really relevant. He’s clearly got an axe to grind.
That’s not what I’m saying what I’m saying is that despite all your words all you want is a reversal of a decision which was promised as binding
There is no reason why a discussion of what sort of leave the public wants and go from there
Only problem is that the public doesn’t want leave. Only about half does. The other half, the bigger half, wants to remain.
The bigger 48% half :shifty:Only problem is that the public doesn’t want leave. Only about half does. The other half, the bigger half, wants to remain.
You are so pro Labour that you want nothing said against them.
Why don't you check the history on the subject. He kept bringing up antisemitism in the Labour party. He kept bringing up much more. He has reported the allegation himself to someone independent. Something the Labour party refused to do.
And while people like you defend those in the Labour party and deflect onto those who report them for it when it is clearly known about it will.continue to happen.
That’s not what I’m saying what I’m saying is that despite all your words all you want is a reversal of a decision which was promised as binding
There is no reason why a discussion of what sort of leave the public wants and go from there
So the allegations into his alleged sexual harassment of a colleague has nothing to do with it whatsoever?
Woodcock is the one who politicised the issue around a Corbyn-led Labour in a classic ‘deflect attention away from me’ manoeuvre. Ask yourself, how you would feel about this had you not been close to this man?
Jared O’Mara was caught out posting homophobic comments online, he resigned the whip. As did Fiona Onsanya for getting caught speeding and lied about who was behind the wheel. It’s commonplace for MPs to resign the whip (becoming independents) to avoid being disciplined by their party. It’s not political.
If a deal can’t get agreed and Parliament moves against a no deal scenario, what’s next?
I’m pretty sure when we had this discussion earlier in the thread, you believed the Government should announce its intention to leave without a deal if a deal cannot agree. Since Parliament is moving to block that possibility, what else can be done?
Onsanya certainly did not resign the whip. She was suspended immediately and refused to resign - its hardly the same comparing someone with a spurious allegation which to my knowledge was never investigated by police to someone found guilty of perverting the course of justice
You’re right actually, I got mixed up with a few MPs who are now ‘independent’ and their circumstances. Ivan Lewis was also suspended for similar allegations than Woodcock and he also left the party.
Investigations against them won’t be conducted by the Labour Party if they’ve resigned the whip because they can’t be sanctioned.
I take the line that Woodcock and Lewis are innocent until proven guilty, for what it’s worth. But, these two MPs have effectively silenced complaints against them by resigning the whip.
Yes we have - the government cannot block something it has no jurisdiction to do unless its saying it wants to completely revoke Article 50 which I do not think will happen
Why was the allegation against Woodcock not referred to the police?
As did Fiona Onsanya for getting caught speeding and lied about who was behind the wheel. It’s commonplace for MPs to resign the whip (becoming independents) to avoid being disciplined by their party. It’s not political.
Will be interested to see how this pans out..
Fiona Onasanya will find out her sentence for perverting the course of justice later this month. The MP for Peterborough will be sentenced on January 29, with any custodial sentence of a year or more (including if it is suspended) meaning she will lose her seat. Any custodial or suspended sentence of less than a year which is not appealed would automatically trigger a recall petition. Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya departs by taxi from the Old Bailey in central London after she was found guilty of perverting the course of justice following a retrial for lying to police to avoid a speeding charge. Picture: Dominic Lipinski/PA Wire Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya departs by taxi from the Old Bailey in central London after she was found guilty of perverting the course of justice following a retrial for lying to police to avoid a speeding charge. Picture: Dominic Lipinski/PA Wire If 10 per cent of her constituents signed it within six weeks, Ms Onasanya would lose her seat and a by-election would be triggered, which she could stand in. Ms Onasanya had 28 days to challenge the unanimous decision by a jury at the Old Bailey which has seen her expelled by the Labour Party. That deadline passed today. Despite repeated requests for comment she has failed to answer any questions from the Peterborough Telegraph relating to her trial. Ms Onasanya had strenuously denied lying about who was behind the wheel of her Nissan Micra when it was caught speeding in Thorney in July 2017 - but after a retrial lasting one week a jury returned a unanimous guilty verdict. The jury in the first trial was unable to return a verdict.
Read more at: Date set for Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya to be sentenced for perverting the course of justice
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