The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (9 Viewers)

Astute · Feb 1, 2019

Sick Boy said:
The withdrawal agreement has already been made, what other sensible discussions are there? Despite all of the bravado the Uk is in a weak position with a PM with zero authority.

The onus is very much on the UK but has it come up with any alternative solutions yet? What are they? Perhaps it’s time for the UK to get sensible?

The assertations that the EU needed us more than we needed them haven’t exactly turned out to be true, so I’m not sure what you’re expecting to happen.

Something totally different than is on the table presently.

So the EU doesn't need us? That is what was said previously. Now the EU doesn't need us as much as wee need the EU. Several countries including the larger ones are in recession. How good would it be for them if there wasn't a deal? We buy much more from the EU than we sell to it. It wouldn't be good for anyone. But of course it is only looked at from one side.

And yet again I say I can't see no deal happening. But there is nobody we can trust. Most don't want what is best for us. They want what is best for themselves.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 1, 2019

Astute said:
Something totally different than is on the table presently.

So the EU doesn't need us? That is what was said previously. Now the EU doesn't need us as much as wee need the EU. Several countries including the larger ones are in recession. How good would it be for them if there wasn't a deal? We buy much more from the EU than we sell to it. It wouldn't be good for anyone. But of course it is only looked at from one side.

And yet again I say I can't see no deal happening. But there is nobody we can trust. Most don't want what is best for us. They want what is best for themselves.

I suppose we can’t have what’s best for us astute as that financially would be a mix of what we currently have and some sovereignty that we think we may have lost.

And what’s worse is given we are leaving we don’t know and can’t trust any observer to tell us the truth about what might be best given that it’s mostly guesswork going forward more than a year or two.

torchomatic · Feb 1, 2019

Nick said:
Did it have beer tokens in it?

Don't know.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 1, 2019

torchomatic said:
Don't know.

Yes

torchomatic · Feb 1, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Yes

Didn't get past the dreadful propaganda on the front, to be honest. Tim is a fucking idiot.

Sick Boy · Feb 1, 2019

Astute said:
Something totally different than is on the table presently.

So the EU doesn't need us? That is what was said previously. Now the EU doesn't need us as much as wee need the EU. Several countries including the larger ones are in recession. How good would it be for them if there wasn't a deal? We buy much more from the EU than we sell to it. It wouldn't be good for anyone. But of course it is only looked at from one side.

And yet again I say I can't see no deal happening. But there is nobody we can trust. Most don't want what is best for us. They want what is best for themselves.

I’m not sure how that’s going to work after parliament voted not to extend article 50, it’s almost like they don’t know what they’re doing!

SkyblueBazza · Feb 1, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m flabbergasted I hadn’t registered it at the time that the prime minister and her government voted against her deal. The work of her negotiations and the Eu to come to a negotiated compromise on how to move the leaving of the Eu forward. 2 years work and she voted against herself!!!! Am I being stupid or is that not insane???!

And what was the groundbreaking change to the deal that was comprehensively rejected?? Alternative arrangements to the Northern Ireland backstop. What are they? We don’t know ffs

Not stupid...just dazed like we all get with rhetoric & terminology. Like "Teresa May's deal"...it is the deal brokered between the British Govt & EU representatives.
May was always in favour of remaining but then took on the job believing she was best placed in getting the best deal possible, as she sees it, for Britain.
Some of the competencies of people tasked to do the leg work aside - that is what we have got. What she sees as the best deal Britain can agree with the EU.

It doesn't mean she herself wants that deal - just that she thinks it the best she can get - for NOW. So she might (I can't answer for her) have decided to vote it down in an effort to provoke the EU back to the table, or help to force another referendum, or some other reason known only to herself.

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Grendel · Feb 1, 2019

Sick Boy said:
I’m not sure how that’s going to work after parliament voted not to extend article 50, it’s almost like they don’t know what they’re doing!

Must be concerning you have just started in a country that is now in a recession. Described as the sick man of Europe on the news with the biggest debt on the planet and likely to collapse into a depression

Sick Boy · Feb 1, 2019

Grendel said:
Must be concerning you have just started in a country that is now in a recession. Described as the sick man of Europe on the news with the biggest debt on the planet and likely to collapse into a depression

Not particularly, no. Financially I’m on more money, working for a company that’s buying an office in its 5th new country, and the quality of life is better.

Sick Boy · Feb 1, 2019

Grendel said:
Must be concerning you have just started in a country that is now in a recession. Described as the sick man of Europe on the news with the biggest debt on the planet and likely to collapse into a depression

As I have mentioned before though, LLN and Cinque Stelle are incompetent and their growth forecasts look like fantasy.

Astute · Feb 1, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
I suppose we can’t have what’s best for us astute as that financially would be a mix of what we currently have and some sovereignty that we think we may have lost.

And what’s worse is given we are leaving we don’t know and can’t trust any observer to tell us the truth about what might be best given that it’s mostly guesswork going forward more than a year or two.

Exactly. We can't expect what we have now for free. And we can't expect any sort of membership without freedom of movement.

So there is payment and freedom of movement to be considered.

Astute · Feb 1, 2019

Sick Boy said:
I’m not sure how that’s going to work after parliament voted not to extend article 50, it’s almost like they don’t know what they’re doing!

Almost? You have more faith in the Tories than I do.

Nick · Feb 1, 2019

On the note about starting in a new country

I found some nice houses with a lovely bit of land for about 200k in France. Can't speak French and don't really like French people though so that's an issue.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 1, 2019

Nick said:
On the note about starting in a new country

I found some nice houses with a lovely bit of land for about 200k in France. Can't speak French and don't really like French people though so that's an issue.

France is full of the buggers. Some of them smell as well.

Astute · Feb 1, 2019

Nick said:
On the note about starting in a new country

I found some nice houses with a lovely bit of land for about 200k in France. Can't speak French and don't really like French people though so that's an issue.

Found a lovely house with meadows, streams,wildlife woodland and more in France for much less than 200k. You could hide from the French there.

Grappa · Feb 1, 2019

This should have been mandatory viewing before anyone was allowed to vote.

skybluetony176 · Feb 1, 2019

Grappa said:
This should have been mandatory viewing before anyone was allowed to vote.

Project fear init.

Still, it’s not like any of his predictions has come true. Just last week Liam it will be the easiest negotiations in history Fox confirmed that he’d successfully got the 40 odd trade deals signed that he needed to. No wait, he hasn’t. Not even renegotiations, just agreeing to a continuation.

Alarmingly he predicts the next stage will take will conservatively take 10 years.

Nick · Feb 1, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Project fear init.

skybluetony176 · Feb 1, 2019

Five things about the EU-Japan trade deal

Mmmm. Wonder what trade deal we’ll strike with Japan.

Sick Boy · Feb 2, 2019

torchomatic said:
Didn't get past the dreadful propaganda on the front, to be honest. Tim is a fucking idiot.View attachment 11428

Is that a parody? I suppose the likes of Rees Mogg, Johnson, Gove, Patel etc are somehow opposed to metropolitan elite and on the side of the working man.

clint van damme · Feb 2, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Is that a parody? I suppose the likes of Rees Mogg, Johnson, Gove, Patel etc are somehow opposed to metropolitan elite and on the side of the working man.

He wants us to set tariffs to zero in our WTO schedule. That is beyond stupidity.
Having said that, I can forgive him everything else but those fucking glasses Wetherspoons serve their Stella in are beyond the pale.

torchomatic · Feb 2, 2019

Nick said:
On the note about starting in a new country

I found some nice houses with a lovely bit of land for about 200k in France. Can't speak French and don't really like French people though so that's an issue.

I think we would go to Scotland. Pro European .

Astute · Feb 2, 2019

clint van damme said:
He wants us to set tariffs to zero in our WTO schedule. That is beyond stupidity.
Having said that, I can forgive him everything else but those fucking glasses Wetherspoons serve their Stella in are beyond the pale.

I refuse to have a ladies glass for my Stella. Once when I asked for a proper glass I got asked why I didn't want everyone to know I was drinking Stella. I told her I drink Stella because I like it not because of what I want people to think.

Not only that but they are difficult to hold after several pints.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 2, 2019

Interesting on any questions with the prisons minister Rory Stewart who I like even though he’s a Tory.

He was saying everyone wants a deal. Thinks Eu won’t give enough for brexiteers or dup and the deal will be some sort of customs union with labour. It’s gonna run and run

clint van damme · Feb 2, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Interesting on any questions with the prisons minister Rory Stewart who I like even though he’s a Tory.

He was saying everyone wants a deal. Thinks Eu won’t give enough for brexiteers or dup and the deal will be some sort of customs union with labour. It’s gonna run and run

one of the few Tories, (in fact, one of the few politicians), I have any respect for.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 3, 2019

And Tories 7 points up in the polls. Insane

Sick Boy · Feb 3, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
And Tories 7 points up in the polls. Insane

They’re going to be seen more as the party of leave and then you have remain voters becoming more and more disillusioned with Corbyn

Astute · Feb 3, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
And Tories 7 points up in the polls. Insane

Not when you look at what has been happening.

Let's put which side of Brexit you want aside when you consider. May is a remainer. But she keeps saying she is doing the will of the people. If she had been forcing through Brexit against the referendum the Tories would be well behind. Then you have Corbyn. He has always wanted out of the EU. But just try and get him to say what he wants now. All he does is go against May whatever she says. People can see that he is more interested in being PM than sorting out Brexit. Most people want Brexit sorting and care much less about who our next PM is.

May hardly has any conviction when she speaks. But Corbyn has even less. Some seem to think this doesn't matter. But our PM needs to be someone who at least seems strong. May is dithering. But at least she keeps to what she says.

Otis · Feb 3, 2019

Astute said:
Not when you look at what has been happening.

Let's put which side of Brexit you want aside when you consider. May is a remainer. But she keeps saying she is doing the will of the people. If she had been forcing through Brexit against the referendum the Tories would be well behind. Then you have Corbyn. He has always wanted out of the EU. But just try and get him to say what he wants now. All he does is go against May whatever she says. People can see that he is more interested in being PM than sorting out Brexit. Most people want Brexit sorting and care much less about who our next PM is.

May hardly has any conviction when she speaks. But Corbyn has even less. Some seem to think this doesn't matter. But our PM needs to be someone who at least seems strong. May is dithering. But at least she keeps to what she says.

But surely Corbyn CAN'T come out one way or another can he?

Think most of his party are remainers, but a lot of the constituencies these MP's represent voted leave.

He's between a rock and a hard place isn't he? That's why he is pushing for a general election and why it suits to have another referendum.

Captain Dart · Feb 3, 2019

Sick Boy said:
They’re going to be seen more as the party of leave and then you have remain voters becoming more and more disillusioned with Corbyn

Jezza the master strategist.

Astute · Feb 3, 2019

Otis said:
But surely Corbyn CAN'T come out one way or another can he?

Think most of his party are remainers, but a lot of the constituencies these MP's represent voted leave.

He's between a rock and a hard place isn't he? That's why he is pushing for a general election and why it suits to have another referendum.

Why can't he? It is the strategy that Corbyn has been using and the strategy that I and others said wouldn't work. And they haven't worked.

He won't win votes by doing nothing. But he will lose votes by doing nothing.

He has the choice. Go with his MP's or go with those who vote for him. His MP's are going against the voters. 61% of Labour constituencies voted leave. Yet 90% of his MP's would vote remain. I don't know if the 90% is because that has become the party line. But it is very high considering how many of the constituencies voted the other way.

Yet some seem surprised that Labour are losing votes when their MP's are going against those who voted them in.

Ashdown · Feb 3, 2019

Is all this hot air still rumbling on ?! Can't believe there is a whole page here without MartGermany, is he OK, or finally blown a gasket ?!

Otis · Feb 3, 2019

Ashdown said:
Is all this hot air still rumbling on ?! Can't believe there is a whole page here without MartGermany, is he OK, or finally blown a gasket ?!

It will ground to a halt soon, be assured. Theresa May has said she is going to sort it all out for us.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 3, 2019

Astute said:
Why can't he? It is the strategy that Corbyn has been using and the strategy that I and others said wouldn't work. And they haven't worked.

He won't win votes by doing nothing. But he will lose votes by doing nothing.

He has the choice. Go with his MP's or go with those who vote for him. His MP's are going against the voters. 61% of Labour constituencies voted leave. Yet 90% of his MP's would vote remain. I don't know if the 90% is because that has become the party line. But it is very high considering how many of the constituencies voted the other way.

Yet some seem surprised that Labour are losing votes when their MP's are going against those who voted them in.

There have been polls showing that Labour would lose millions of votes to the Lib Dems if they backed May's Brexit. Plus the Tories are clearly angling to frame Brexit being shit on Labour and it seems to work with the gullible general public.

chiefdave · Feb 3, 2019

Captain Dart said:

Hoped this would happen shortly after the Brexit vote but I can't see it happening now. When push comes to shove the Tory and Labour sittings MPs will be more concerned about losing their seat than being in a party that actually represents their views.

It would make things a lot more interesting if there were three roughly equal sized parties for right, centre and left.

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