But like I said earlier what is left other than the May deal?If MP's are true to themselves and it is the exact same deal on offer, they HAVE to turn it down and reject it don't they?
We are already looking like a laughing stock and May's deal has been heavily defeated now twice.
Nothing surprises me, but it will be ludicrous if this same deal now gets the vote and is put through.
Thing is, we spent 4 billion on a possible no deal scenario.But like I said earlier what is left other than the May deal?
May has run the clock down. No deal by the end of this month is off the table.
Then look at it the other way. The May deal is what May and the EU wants. Then negotiations will commence where ties will be made between the EU and UK. Isn't that what you want?
So what else do you think could happen within the next two weeks?
OK I can see you are after an argument. Argue away as I have had enough. You have no thought of a debate.
So the comment wasn't that the DUP stopped it?
That was my point. But as usual any point I make is ignored by some and I am made out to have said something different.
I'm not surprised you tried to make out that there was a deal that we should have agreed with when you are fully against it.
Thing is, we spent 4 billion on a possible no deal scenario.
If we end up with May's deal we could have just voted that through in the first place and saved all that money.
I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but everyone totally rejected this deal as a bad deal.
Surely MP's have to vote this down again.
That's because the extreme Brexiters haven't voted for a deal that allows for Brexit.What happened to no deal is better then a bad deal and Brexit means Brexit. The democratic will of the people hasn't been upheld.
You're saying what is the point, in a democracy, of giving a vote to the people?A second referendum would be an absolute disgrace, we voted in 2016 and thats how it needs to stay or else what is the point in democracy????
A second referendum would be an absolute disgrace, we voted in 2016 and thats how it needs to stay or else what is the point in democracy????
Imagine if remain won, would all the people who voted leave be 'moaning' like the remoaners
No
A second referendum would be an absolute disgrace, we voted in 2016 and thats how it needs to stay or else what is the point in democracy????
Imagine if remain won, would all the people who voted leave be 'moaning' like the remoaners
No
a real gamble.
You're saying what is the point, in a democracy, of giving a vote to the people?
Aren't they locked out of challenging her leadership for a while longer?a real gamble.
If May can reduce the level of defeat by enough it could improve the chances of a longer delay.
If she can't then she's going to probably find herself in a leadership challenge.
That's because the extreme Brexiters haven't voted for a deal that allows for Brexit.
They're the biggest remainers going!
You're saying what is the point, in a democracy, of giving a vote to the people?
I find it amusing that people can't see that, and consider democracy only a democracy if it agrees with their world view, and entrench people as never being intelligent enough to decide further down the line what they want. I also find it amusing people are too scared of leave not winning a vote, they wish to deny the voice of the people. A vote would give certainty. Leaving it with parliament is creating the uncertainty!I do find it amusing that people keep using terms regarding people’s vote so to rebrand it from the fact it’s already happened but the answer was wrong so try again
Also as many people remind us we are a sovereign democracy so actually as the second referendum has never been on the elected governments manifesto or the opposition under our terms of course it is not democratic
The same people who often bang the drum for this are the same people who actually say uncertainty is wrecking business and consumer confidence. It’s likely this whole princess would take 12 months to resolve. There would be massive issues with the questions and almost certainly legal challenges whatever route was decided to go down. Also every opinion poll will be scrutinised and every time a swing to leave happened confidence again would falter. There’s every likelihood the result will be the same or even closer.
And of course all 17.4m wanted no deal, and would be delighted for us to leave with no deal...or just ignore the 17.4m
And of course all 17.4m wanted no deal, and would be delighted for us to leave with no deal...
Funny how only people who want to stay in the EU are expected to compromise, not the minority who want a savage break, with no safety net.
A second referendum would be an absolute disgrace, we voted in 2016 and thats how it needs to stay or else what is the point in democracy????
Imagine if remain won, would all the people who voted leave be 'moaning' like the remoaners
No
A second referendum would be an absolute disgrace, we voted in 2016 and thats how it needs to stay or else what is the point in democracy????
Imagine if remain won, would all the people who voted leave be 'moaning' like the remoaners
No
All 17.4m would have been happy leaving with no deal?All 17.4m people wanted us to leave the EU, not listen to people who can't take no for an answer and Mp's who want to go against the majority
All 17.4m people wanted us to leave the EU, not listen to people who can't take no for an answer and Mp's who want to go against the majority
Yup. I don't know what people are so scared of. It's called democracy.You're saying what is the point, in a democracy, of giving a vote to the people?
No...you would argue 17.4m leavers WANTED a deal I suppose?And of course all 17.4m wanted no deal, and would be delighted for us to leave with no deal...
Funny how only people who want to stay in the EU are expected to compromise, not the minority who want a savage break, with no safety net.
I find it amusing that people can't see that, and consider democracy only a democracy if it agrees with their world view, and entrench people as never being intelligent enough to decide further down the line what they want. I also find it amusing people are too scared of leave not winning a vote, they wish to deny the voice of the people. A vote would give certainty. Leaving it with parliament is creating the uncertainty!
It would also be a different vote to last time. We have a deal, so we know what the alternative is to staying in the EU. We now have something to actually hang a decision on.
Yup. I don't know what people are so scared of. It's called democracy.
This is nigh on 3 years on. People have had a chance to see what a mess this all is and what it all now means.
If the people still want to leave we'll just be ratifying the initial vote won't we? No problem.
A week is a long time in politics. Three years is eleventy billion centuries.
I was all for accepting the will of the people, but this is now such a mess and it is now 3 years in and the House of Commons simply cannot agree and also, added to that, some people HAVE now changed their minds.
It has to go back to the people. It's not a betrayal, it's democracy.
No...you would argue 17.4m leavers WANTED a deal I suppose?
I would be a total idiot to claim 17.4million people wanted the same thing.
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At the moment I am thinking it is all such a mess, simply stucking to 29th March 'we leave' is the best plan. Deal or no deal. Then if the EU want a deal, maybe they will need to reconsider the deal together with us.
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Correct. Where have I said otherwise?Nor did the people who voted to remain
Also I think there were key things that all leave voters did agree on
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