The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (51 Viewers)

martcov · Mar 7, 2017

dutchman said:
Alternatively, Ireland could leave the european superstate and avoid economic meltdown. They only joined in the first place because Britain did so it makes sense for them to leave when Britain leaves.

The economic meltdown is more likely to be in the U.K. whilst the negotiations over article 50 continue. We don't have an EU superstate at the moment- unless you read the Express or the Mail.

Ireland was a comparatively poor country in the early 70s and needed Britain. It still does, but it has come a very long way since then. Political unity in Ireland has an appeal to many which would put aside some economic advantages or disadvantages in the short term - should the U.K. be 'punished' for leaving the EU and not be allowed a preferential deal with Ireland.

Brexit has started the ball rolling and who knows where it is going to land. I see the break up of the UK within a short time. It is unlikely that Farage will get a knighthood from the Queen whilst bragging about his part in Brexit.

martcov · Mar 7, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Fucking hell.

Exactly.

Liquid Gold · Mar 7, 2017

Got to be a troll, just ignore him. I'm sure he's taking the piss. If not he's the most arrogant ignorant prick on here.

Sick Boy · Mar 7, 2017

martcov said:
The economic meltdown is more likely to be in the U.K. whilst the negotiations over article 50 continue. We don't have an EU superstate at the moment- unless you read the Express or the Mail.

Ireland was a comparatively poor country in the early 70s and needed Britain. It still does, but it has come a very long way since then. Political unity in Ireland has an appeal to many which would put aside some economic advantages or disadvantages in the short term - should the U.K. be 'punished' for leaving the EU and not be allowed a preferential deal with Ireland.

Brexit has started the ball rolling and who knows where it is going to land. I see the break up of the UK within a short time. It is unlikely that Farage will get a knighthood from the Queen whilst bragging about his part in Brexit.

The ranting about the 'EUSSR superstate' being on the verge of collapse and claiming that every country is desperate to follow Britain's lead in insane. There is a much greater chance of the UK breaking up and economic meltdown here with riots in the streets once public services are striped right back, migration doesn't change and multinationals offer subsidies/bribes to stay here.

Kingokings204 · Mar 7, 2017

martcov said:
The economic meltdown is more likely to be in the U.K. whilst the negotiations over article 50 continue. We don't have an EU superstate at the moment- unless you read the Express or the Mail.

Ireland was a comparatively poor country in the early 70s and needed Britain. It still does, but it has come a very long way since then. Political unity in Ireland has an appeal to many which would put aside some economic advantages or disadvantages in the short term - should the U.K. be 'punished' for leaving the EU and not be allowed a preferential deal with Ireland.

Brexit has started the ball rolling and who knows where it is going to land. I see the break up of the UK within a short time. It is unlikely that Farage will get a knighthood from the Queen whilst bragging about his part in Brexit.

The U.K. Won't break up. There isn't a case for it. Scotland as part of the U.K. Voted to leave the European Union. It's simple logic. The same logic says Coventry didn't vote conservative but that's the government who makes Coventry's budgets. So do Coventry leave England? Pathetic.

Have a referendum tomorrow and Scotland would vote to stay in the U.K. Give sturgeon the referendum I say. Not that they had one 2 half year ago or anything.

Kingokings204 · Mar 7, 2017

Anyone see the lords defeat annother bill again today. That's two now. Oh dear signing their own death warrant you ask me.

martcov · Mar 8, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
The U.K. Won't break up. There isn't a case for it. Scotland as part of the U.K. Voted to leave the European Union. It's simple logic. The same logic says Coventry didn't vote conservative but that's the government who makes Coventry's budgets. So do Coventry leave England? Pathetic.

Have a referendum tomorrow and Scotland would vote to stay in the U.K. Give sturgeon the referendum I say. Not that they had one 2 half year ago or anything.

I think you had better look at the election results in Northern Ireland and the deadlock in the powersharing talks. The EU land border would run through Ireland. Could become a tricky problem.

You seem to miss the point that NI is part of the U.K.

martcov · Mar 8, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
Anyone see the lords defeat annother bill again today. That's two now. Oh dear signing their own death warrant you ask me.

Confirming the need for a second chamber is another way of looking at it. It should be reformed, but that is a separate point.

mrtrench · Mar 8, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
I would say that a free market would see net emigration when it becomes unsustainable...

Always find it interesting the party of the free market wants to control immigration, while the party more associated with state control is more laissez-faire about it.

(since the 80s, anyway)

You devil; how dare you make an excellent point!

I know why I think it's different and I know the points you are going to bring up in response and I'm going to have to say that in my opinion free market is better for that and we aren't going to reach a conclusion. But here goes.

The free market often over-shoots - which is why we have bubbles and crashes on the stock market and also why we have regulations controlling the markets. It's not nice for people that buy at the top of a bubble but they are their own people and made the decision to risk money.

However when it comes to the well being of an entire nation that cannot be risked. During the bubble the situation becomes awful for people already here and the people who suffer the most would be the poor. When the bubble bursts the country is left with thousands of empty houses, having already built over acres of greenland and a subsequent mother of all depressions. It's too important and too severe to risk.

Kingokings204 · Mar 8, 2017

martcov said:
I think you had better look at the election results in Northern Ireland and the deadlock in the powersharing talks. The EU land border would run through Ireland. Could become a tricky problem.

You seem to miss the point that NI is part of the U.K.

I don't miss the point but you could argue northern island and southern shouldn't of been separated anyway.

As it happens I shall wait for you to come back to me when the U.K. Breaks up. I will be patient. It won't break up and you know what if I'm wrong then fair play if that's what they chose.

Captain Dart · Mar 8, 2017

One easy way to reform without major upheaval is to make the appointments to participate in the business of the Lords 10 year terms, the idea that the job is for life is the craziest system ever, you just end up with lots of superannuated has-beens. After 10 years, sure let the title remain but make the privileges cease.

Sick Boy · Mar 9, 2017

I see that Johnny Foreigners aren't too happy with the Whitehall dubbed Empire 2.0....I can't think why?

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dutchman · Mar 9, 2017

Jamie Oliver Gets A Roasting From Iain For Blaming Brexit - LBC

Sick Boy · Mar 9, 2017

A roasting from Iain sounds like some warped brexiteers' fantasy.

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

Sick Boy said:
You haven't got a clue. You can't rent a property, have an employment contract unless you register with the local communal hall. Britain is in the minority in not having ID cards.

What do you think happens when hotels take copies of your passport in a lot of countries? Your presence is registered with the local police.

It is you that doesn't have a clue. Or you are on a crusade to make it sound better than it is.

I don't normally stay in hotels when I go away. I prefer to rent villas. You can come and go as you please. You get to be with the natives. You can choose exactly where you want to be. I have never been asked for my passport. Oh I must be the only person who goes to other countries and not book into hotels where they want to see my passport.

So everyone in this country and throughout the EU is registered locally? This is getting silly now.

I do admire you for the way you constantly blame the UK for everything. But we are leaving. And however much you protest it will still happen.

And what happened to the jobless total going through the roof? What happened to the share price crash? What happened to our currency being next to worthless? Not been right so far have you?

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

Sick Boy said:
.....you really are an Etonian's wet dream. When migration doesn't fall after Brexit, who will you blame next? Perhaps then you'll realise a lot these issues are down to the current government.

It is you and Mart blaming everything on anyone you can think of. I am pointing out the truths.

Most of the problems are down to the unvoted for people who run the EU. Their one size fits all doesn't work. Countries can't devalue their currencies to help through difficult times. They end up in debt so much that they will never be able to pay it off. The rich become richer and the poor become destitute. The young move to where they can make a living leaving the old to fend for themselves. And you seem to think that it is a good idea.

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Oh well, they'll have no choice but to issue them to the whole population after Brexit. Yet more mounting costs that could have gone towards hospitals, schools etc.

So is Mart right that we should have them or is it an unnecessary expense that isn't needed as you say?

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
Hospitals staffed by migrants? not enough of them? The ones being defunded by the government that people insist on continuing to vote for? British people are really in for a shock.

What are you going on about?

I have constantly said that we are not allowed to bring in the right skills mix. Yes we need both skilled and unskilled people. But if the vast majority are unskilled who is going to look after them?

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

Sick Boy said:
I think people should just come out and admit that they just don't like eastern Europeans rather than beating about the bush.

I don't like people not being able to have a home to live in. I don't like the NHS not being able to cope. I don't like people who blame others for being racist because they can see the bigger picture.

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

martcov said:
I am not leaving. I am staying in Germany and taking holidays in England as long as the pound is weak. Advantage for me.

Why don't you live in the UK considering you think that the EU has enhanced our lifestyle so much?

Sick Boy · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
I don't like people not being able to have a home to live in. I don't like the NHS not being able to cope. I don't like people who blame others for being racist because they can see the bigger picture.

I could never afford to own a home in the UK and would probably never get a pension either. The only people I blame for that is the government. It is you who is consistently falling to see the bigger picture and I mean that it in the most respectful way possible.

Sick Boy · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
What are you going on about?

I have constantly said that we are not allowed to bring in the right skills mix. Yes we need both skilled and unskilled people. But if the vast majority are unskilled who is going to look after them?

I thought unemployment was at an all time high as Brexiteers like to boast about?

Sick Boy · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
It is you and Mart blaming everything on anyone you can think of. I am pointing out the truths.

Most of the problems are down to the unvoted for people who run the EU. Their one size fits all doesn't work. Countries can't devalue their currencies to help through difficult times. They end up in debt so much that they will never be able to pay it off. The rich become richer and the poor become destitute. The young move to where they can make a living leaving the old to fend for themselves. And you seem to think that it is a good idea.

The UK government are capable of doing that without any help and it will only continue to get worse.

Expect a bran drain from the UK when it all goes horribly wrong, as it inevitably will.

The likes of Johnson and Fox are a disgrace and should be nowhere near government. Trusting these lot to deliver Brexit and ensure that you're children do not suffer in the future is insane.
I sincerely wish anyone staying in the UK the best of luck in the long term.

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

Sick Boy said:
I thought unemployment was at an all time high as Brexiteers like to boast about?

Employment is at an all time high since Brexit. Not what you told us what would happen.

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

Sick Boy said:
I could never afford to own a home in the UK and would probably never get a pension either. The only people I blame for that is the government. It is you who is consistently falling to see the bigger picture and I mean that it in the most respectful way possible.

So you are missing the point I see.

House prices are so high because there is not enough housing. There is not enough housing because of the amount of people who have come here since we opened our borders to anyone in the EU. Sounds like you agree with me on this point.

wingy · Mar 9, 2017

Look ahead guys.
The race for Brexit will just about pip the rise In Interest rates.
Then we'll start to feel the effect of a 15%drop in Sterling.
We will pay, just like us self employed yesterday!

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

Sick Boy said:
The UK government are capable of doing that without any help and it will only continue to get worse.

Expect a bran drain from the UK when it all goes horribly wrong, as it inevitably will.

The likes of Johnson and Fox are a disgrace and should be nowhere near government. Trusting these lot to deliver Brexit and ensure that you're children do not suffer in the future is insane.
I sincerely wish anyone staying in the UK the best of luck in the long term.

We are still strong because we kept the £. I don't trust any government. They always lie to us to get our vote.

You say it will all go wrong. You said it would all go wrong after the vote. Not seeing it myself. What is wrong with the UK is what was already wrong before the vote. A lot of it caused by the EU.

Leaving will not be easy. But staying in would have been harder. Leaving will mean that we have our own destiny in our hands and not in the hands of unelected EU self centred idiots. It is the EU that will crash and burn if anything.

Astute · Mar 9, 2017

wingy said:
Look ahead guys.
The race for Brexit will just about pip the rise In Interest rates.
Then we'll start to feel the effect of a 15%drop in Sterling.
We will pay, just like us self employed yesterday!

That was supposed to have happened already.

Tax? I would love to only pay what the self employed pay.

Sick Boy · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
So you are missing the point I see.

House prices are so high because there is not enough housing. There is not enough housing because of the amount of people who have come here since we opened our borders to anyone in the EU. Sounds like you agree with me on this point.

No, I blame the government entirely.

Sick Boy · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
We are still strong because we kept the £. I don't trust any government. They always lie to us to get our vote.

You say it will all go wrong. You said it would all go wrong after the vote. Not seeing it myself. What is wrong with the UK is what was already wrong before the vote. A lot of it caused by the EU.

Leaving will not be easy. But staying in would have been harder. Leaving will mean that we have our own destiny in our hands and not in the hands of unelected EU self centred idiots. It is the EU that will crash and burn if anything.

If you don't earn much you are already feeling effects, something which most on this thread have little regard for. I maintain it'll go wrong once article 50 negotiations get more advanced and Britain leaves.

martcov · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
Why don't you live in the UK considering you think that the EU has enhanced our lifestyle so much?

Because I have a daughter and 3 small businesses here - not to mention the missus. They enhance my life, and the EU is enhancing my life here anyway.

martcov · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
That was supposed to have happened already.

Tax? I would love to only pay what the self employed pay.

You wouldn't like German tax inspectors who concentrate on small businesses and rip them apart with fictive tax assessments ( you could have pocketed some black money, so we assume you did and we will tax you on a figure we thought up ). Big businesses have "compliance departments" so nothing to find there, just stick to "small and smallest" businesses and rip them apart. So the tax you think you pay is less than the reality as you end up paying a fictive assessment on top.

martcov · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
Employment is at an all time high since Brexit. Not what you told us what would happen.

I missed that. I thought Brexit hadn't started yet.

martcov · Mar 9, 2017

Astute said:
It is you and Mart blaming everything on anyone you can think of. I am pointing out the truths.

Most of the problems are down to the unvoted for people who run the EU. Their one size fits all doesn't work. Countries can't devalue their currencies to help through difficult times. They end up in debt so much that they will never be able to pay it off. The rich become richer and the poor become destitute. The young move to where they can make a living leaving the old to fend for themselves. And you seem to think that it is a good idea.

How does the USA survive then? Some states are very rich and others very poor, but they all use dollars. I think Farage's mate Trump thinks that a federal system with a common currency can work well. Funny that Farage doesn't.

martcov · Mar 9, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
I don't miss the point but you could argue northern island and southern shouldn't of been separated anyway.

As it happens I shall wait for you to come back to me when the U.K. Breaks up. I will be patient. It won't break up and you know what if I'm wrong then fair play if that's what they chose.

I will come back to you- in about 10 years, if CCFC and this forum still exist. We can have this arrangement as a bit of fun, but unfortunately if Brexit causes the break up of the UK, we can never reverse it and it probably won't be fun.

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