Astute
Well-Known Member
I don't disagree. But would we need a referendum to decide what question/questions we would be asked in a referendum? :shifty:
I don't disagree. But would we need a referendum to decide what question/questions we would be asked in a referendum? :shifty:We’re all past debating the ethics of a second referendum.
For or against another referendum, it’s becoming a political necessity to hold a new one. Parliament cannot pass a Brexit deal, the alternative to that is ‘No Deal’ which Parliament has also voted against. We’re running out of options because the only deal likely to pass Parliament is a Customs Union-aligned Brexit which will almost certainly make the Tories implode. The next step is an extension to Article 50, but that doesn’t change the position we’re in really.
Like or not, we’re probably heading to the ballot box on this issue again.
Strangely enough it is those who frequently are not truthful that come out with that rubbish. And as you know I have pulled you up for twisting the truth and proved it lots.The only poster who has been shown to consistently twist what other posters say is you, as multiple people have pointed out now.
That's mostly just a pile of shit as you know.
Strangely enough it is those who frequently are not truthful that come out with that rubbish. And as you know I have pulled you up for twisting the truth and proved it lots.
Would be much better if you wanted a debate but you don't.
And isn't it strange how Mart agrees with you......
The only way I can think of getting around the problem would be a leave or remain question at the top of the voting form.May's deal/other Leave option versus Remain, made legally binding to avoid a rerun. No excuses for not turning out to vote so no complaints if the margin is narrow-whatever wins is what Parliament goes with. There is talk of an Article 50 extension by years, we're all sick to death of this dragging out and a second, binding vote would be a straightforward way of going forward
Is that right? Why don't you show us all where I have lied.No, it’s not strange at all as he is right.
That's mostly just a pile of shit as you know.
Is that right? Why don't you show us all where I have lied.
And while you are at it how about the list of job losses we have occurred as you said earlier?
Of course you don't lie on here when it suits.
Pro EU shite.That's mostly just a pile of shit as you know.
The more you think about it the easier a yes/No would be. But then you still have the problem of a bunch of idiots trying to sort it out.
Yes, it would be. But it's not tricky-Leave (of the most popular flavour) against Remain. Winner takes all, if Leave wins the negotiations on the next part can start. If Remain wins, we can forget this 3 year spell ever happened
It would never be winner takes all though would it
Legally binding so yes.
Strangely enough it is those who frequently are not truthful that come out with that rubbish. And as you know I have pulled you up for twisting the truth and proved it lots.
Would be much better if you wanted a debate but you don't.
And isn't it strange how Mart agrees with you......
If leave wins it would solve nothing.Yes, it would be. But it's not tricky-Leave (of the most popular flavour) against Remain. Winner takes all, if Leave wins the negotiations on the next part can start. If Remain wins, we can forget this 3 year spell ever happened
How can I put words in your mouth? All I do is question what you say when it is wrong. If you didn't constantly say things that are wrong I wouldn't constantly correct you.You frequently try to present your personal opinion as ‘the truth’ and consistently play the straw man attempt to put words into people’s mouths, it weird.
How can I put words in your mouth? All I do is question what you say when it is wrong. If you didn't constantly say things that are wrong I wouldn't constantly correct you.
When others are mistaken I show them where they are wrong. Those who are here for a debate accept it and it is forgotten about. You and a few others would prefer to insult and lie instead though.
So now I don't lie but I put words in your mouth?
Amazing.
It's full of a lot of shite because companies are not just shedding jobs because of Brexit even though that list implies they are. The economic slowdown across Europe and especially China is the biggest influence plus the changes in the car market and the general economic cycle are all bigger factors.......the same reasons that other companies are hiring.Actually I don’t know that, nor do you. The opinion that everything’s dandy because theoretically everyone has a job who wants one is twisting facts. The UK job figures include part time workers. How many are on zero hours contracts? In Germany you were not allowed to have employment contracts less than 8 hours a week. Now, since January, it’s 15 hours minimum to be counted as a job. In the UK it is 1 hour ( I think. ).
Are we only to keep to things that are legally binding? That means that a no deal Brexit is still on the table.Legally binding so yes.
It is a wonder that he hasn't blamed Brexit for the countries in the EU not doing very well.It's full of a lot of shite because companies are not just shedding jobs because of Brexit even though that list implies they are. The economic slowdown across Europe and especially China is the biggest influence plus the changes in the car market and the general economic cycle are all bigger factors.......the same reasons that other companies are hiring.
Haven't you?I’ve never said you lie, that’s something else you’ve made up.
Most of the personal abuse on here is directed at Mart, yet you never call those posters who abuse him up on it.
Why is that?
How does that abuse help with having a civilized debate?
It’s nice to see you’ve proclaimed yourself as the fountain of truth as well, fucking hell haha
Pro EU shite.
Waiting for some truth from Mart. This fiasco will most probably be over before we get the truth from Mart. Just like last week when he tried to say he didn't try to blame the job losses at JLR on Brexit. Didn't take long to prove him wrong at being untruthful as usual.
It is a wonder that he hasn't blamed Brexit for the countries in the EU not doing very well.
If leave wins it would solve nothing.
Look at this thread. The lies. The insults. The accusations. Another leave vote would leave them saying exactly the same thing. And if we voted remain and it is close.....And who would say it wouldn't be?
The rabid remainers would be replaced by the rabid leavers.
How can I put words in your mouth? All I do is question what you say when it is wrong. If you didn't constantly say things that are wrong I wouldn't constantly correct you.
When others are mistaken I show them where they are wrong. Those who are here for a debate accept it and it is forgotten about. You and a few others would prefer to insult and lie instead though.
So now I don't lie but I put words in your mouth?
Amazing.
So you’d actually go against a our sovereign democracy?
Fucking hell.
Yes you are always putting words in people’s mouths. Amazing.
If leave wins it would solve nothing.
Look at this thread. The lies. The insults. The accusations. Another leave vote would leave them saying exactly the same thing. And if we voted remain and it is close.....And who would say it wouldn't be?
The rabid remainers would be replaced by the rabid leavers.
Of course not. I would be lowering my argument to leave type „blame the EU for everything“.
If most people want May’s deal it would happen.
I just want the fucking thing done
I’m waiting for his posts calling out other posters for dishing out personal abuse, strangely enough I think I’ll be waiting for a long time
Why not go with what you keep saying? Then I can prove you wrong and then keep linking it each time you start again. So would link it nearly every day I post.I’m waiting for his posts calling out other posters for dishing out personal abuse, strangely enough I think I’ll be waiting for a long time
As you know most people only see the worse in it. Leavers see us still tied to the EU. Remainers see it as us out of the EU.If most people want May’s deal it would happen.
I just want the fucking thing done
As you know most people only see the worse in it. Leavers see us still tied to the EU. Remainers see it as us out of the EU.
Had enough? My life has been put on hold because of it. The whole thing is a bloody joke.
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