I wonder what portion of that "£36m" went to paying directors and paying off former managers contracts. It certainly didn't go on players surely... Although I guess player wages might have been silly in the championship... Wasn't (I shudder to say his name) Kevin Kyle on a fat wedge?
And so he sould have been.Doyle was the highest earner
Really? Even more so than Wise when he was with us? No wonder he stayed for so long first time round. Good player though so can't really complain.Doyle was the highest earner
Really? Even more so than Wise when he was with us? No wonder he stayed for so long first time round. Good player though so can't really complain.
He did win our Player of the Year award at that level once. And I heard nearer 10k, unless you are adjusting for inflation. But rumours do tend to swell with age...He was awful in the championship and a major factor in our mediocrity - the wage was between £13 and £18k a week depending on who you believe
He was awful in the championship and a major factor in our mediocrity - the wage was between £13 and £18k a week depending on who you believe
How is it Waffle? Try disproving the points.
I haven't said he is on any payroll have I? I have said he is again very much pushing an approach that Wasps are the goodies. (see other link for further confirmation) and it strangely seems to coincide with the same views being pushed, articles in the telegraph about wasps having a healthy financial position etc.
Who's payroll were the trust / supporters direct on when they were working with the Council's PR company? Doesn't have to be a payroll, just a matching agenda / approach. Maybe they think that by trying to big Wasps up it means it is getting one over on SISU. Just the same as the Trust were trying to cosy up when they moved here after condemning clubs moving for months before.
It's all well and good just saying "waffle" over and over again, people said that when I have pointed it out every time. It's been obvious for a few weeks, I pointed it out on the other thread and explained exactly why for you but you didn't reply.
It's all about public perception. Get Wasps lined up as the goodies, just trying to help and SISU / CCFC the baddies. Refer back to that article in 2014 when Wasps moved as a perfect example of it from David Conn and the Trust.
You can bury your head in the sand about it though if you want, it gets a bit more noticeable the more time goes on to most.
Doyle wasn't our midfield weak link in the Championship, and was the sort of player that most successful Championship teams have in their team. The problem more often than not was with his midfield partners, like Clingan and Hughes, who simply weren't attacking or positive enough. Our best periods in the Championship were when Doyle was partnered with Gudjonsson and later Wise, but unfortunately we never found that type of partner for a more prolonged period of time. Not sure we would have got relegated if he had stayed and who knows, players like Bigirimana and Connor Thomas might have had more chance of fulfilling their potential if he had done.
Rubbish
He's clearly another one of your many 'hate' figures that play, or have played for us. It must have really torn at you last season when he was getting so many plaudits, so much so that the hatred just oozes out of every post where you mention him.
Must have missed the Trust's protests against Wasps being parachuted into the city. Have to say in all honesty the impression I got was that the trust welcomed them with open arms. Seem to recall those in senior positions at the Trust heaping praise on them.In September/October 2014 we organised and ran a public meeting regarding Wasps’ move and what we could do to stop it. At a couple of days notice it was attended by Pete Rossborough, Tim Fisher and a couple of hundred City & Cov fans. John Fletcher who was on our board at the time said “it would never have happened in his day” and was even asked by Fisher (the two didn’t get on) what he suggested the football club should do.
1. Somebody using a supporters direct email wasn't it? Hence them or a member. Must be somebody at supporters direct then if nobody related to the trust?1. I’d like you to produce the evidence that we were working with the Council’s PR company.
2. In September/October 2014 we organised and ran a public meeting regarding Wasps’ move and what we could do to stop it. At a couple of days notice it was attended by Pete Rossborough, Tim Fisher and a couple of hundred City & Cov fans. John Fletcher who was on our board at the time said “it would never have happened in his day” and was even asked by Fisher (the two didn’t get on) what he suggested the football club should do.
This is why I have no time for the trust, the future of our football club is at stake and they're silent. They should be fan representatives but they've become too involved in the politics.Must have missed the Trust's protests against Wasps being parachuted into the city. Have to say in all honesty the impression I got was that the trust welcomed them with open arms. Seem to recall those in senior positions at the Trust heaping praise on them.
But to matters in hand are the trust planning to put pressure on Wasps to ensure CCFC continue to play at the Ricoh? I've looked on the Trust site but can't see anything.
1. Somebody using a supporters direct email wasn't it? Hence them or a member. Must be somebody at supporters direct then?
2. Have you got a link? The trust were meeting with wasps in October and endorsing them in the link for the other conn article in December I think?
No I wasn't saying you used one. If nothing to do with the trust then supporters direct took it upon themselves to work with the council's pr company. Apologies, won't mention it as the trust.It wasn’t us. We’ve never used a PR company and that is reflected in our accounts. I will try to dig out the report or minutes for you. In the meantime this tweet is from that meeting.I’ll try to find some others.
I hate the 'raises our plight in the media' argument. This has been going on for years, any football fan with half a brain knows what's going on here and the rest don't care. Publicity has done fuck all for us when we needed it most so I don't see what it's going to do now.
Completely agree. Tbh I've never got the old 'gets our situation out to the wider public' rhetoric.I hate the 'raises our plight in the media' argument. This has been going on for years, any football fan with half a brain knows what's going on here and the rest don't care. Publicity has done fuck all for us when we needed it most so I don't see what it's going to do now.
How in any way does his article pressure sisu though?I’ve met David Conn several times and he’s done several talks at my pub covering ownership in football. He’s a big advocate of fan ownership but is very realistic in saying that the model would only be viable up to a certain point in the football league, but he would like fan groups to have some stake in their clubs and greater representation in them.
First and foremost he’s a football fan and I think he tries to champion fan interests and causes which is no bad thing. He’s an exceptional journalist, has won sports journalist of the year in the past, and his work on Hillsborough in particular is incredible. He’s got a lot of amusing, and often pretty scary anecdotes about football owners, and is very cynical towards people who get involved in football ownership.
Personally speaking I think it’s a good thing he’s helping to try and keep some attention on our situation at a national level, hopefully putting some pressure on Sisu to give up on the court cases and get a longer term deal at the Ricoh sorted. The biggest shame in this is that whenever we seem to be making progress as a club on the pitch the whole ‘we’re homeless in a few months’ issue comes back and threatens to erode the positive wave we’re riding.
No I wasn't saying you used one. If nothing to do with the trust then supporters direct took it upon themselves to work with the council's pr company. Apologies, won't mention it as the trust.
The 9th October the trust met with wasps, 11th there's an article saying how promising and encouraging it was.
Sky Blue Trust - Sky Blue Trust Meet Wasps
A very quick turnaround if the trust were so against it on the 6th?
You stated we were working with one. Anyway pleased we’ve got that cleared up. We met with Nick to get assurances certain conditions would be met (Saturday games, the willingness to have CCFC there, etc). That has been the case up until the legals were ramped up and they were a named party.
You know my view. Wasps should be in London. Not Wycombe. Not Coventry. Putting that to one side though what would you do if you were them? Roll over or put up some form of resistance unless the legals are dropped? That’s the key thing here. If SISU/Otium drop the ridiculous legals the immediate important issue goes away. That should be the main focus for now shouldn’t it?
I’d say negative publicity for them we all know that’s of no concern to Sisu. In no way will they look at that and decide they’ve got things wrong and give up. It’s a pretty damning condemnation of the way the club has been mismanaged that has lead us to questioning where games will be played next year again, and at least it’s an attempt to exert some pressure on a national level. Can’t really see why it’s being viewed in such a negative light.How in any way does his article pressure sisu?
In my opinion 100% the wrong stance to take and certainly, as a trust member, not the one I would want the trust to take.If SISU/Otium drop the ridiculous legals the immediate important issue goes away. That should be the main focus for now shouldn’t it?
I’d say negative publicity for them we all know that’s of no concern to Sisu. In no way will they look at that and decide they’ve got things wrong and give up. It’s a pretty damning condemnation of the way the club has been mismanaged that has lead us to questioning where games will be played next year again, and at least it’s an attempt to exert some pressure on a national level. Can’t really see why it’s being viewed in such a negative light.
I agree that it feels really crap to bring us down in the middle of a good run, and the protests only really happen when things are going wrong.How in any way does his article pressure sisu though?
As a big advocate of fans and the cause, why has he been so keen to champion the wasps move?
We still are making progress on the pitch, there is no doubt that people will want to go out of their way to take the focus off that though. That has happened every time, no doubt if we have a bit of a bad run it will be jumped on and taken advantage of.
The will be people with bed sheets at the ready just waiting to get a protest on the go after a few bad results.
I only just read the other points mateAgain, how is it going to change or do anything?
What pressure is being exerted?
You didn't answer the other points. It's negative because of the strange wasps stuff he has now pushed more than once. It's pretty blatant.
I agree that it feels really crap to bring us down in the middle of a good run, and the protests only really happen when things are going wrong.
I can’t say I’ve read anything outside of this article he’s written about the wasps move, but it reads to me he’s advocating the councils decision to sell rather than the wasps owners moving their club out of their support base
Like I said, having met him and had quite a few chats with him about the issue, I know he’s got nothing but sympathy towards Cov fans and he absolutely hates Sisu. Never talked to him about wasps but can’t see how he’d be a fan of their decision to relocate away from longstanding supporters.He's been very positive about wasps. Not really the approach of somebody who is doing it for the fans. To the point of misleading about it in this recent article.
Like I said, having met him and had quite a few chats with him about the issue, I know he’s got nothing but sympathy towards Cov fans and he absolutely hates Sisu. Never talked to him about wasps but can’t see how he’d be a fan of their decision to relocate away from longstanding supporters.
I think he’s trying to highlight the opportunities Sisu have lost to the detriment of the club and supporters, and someone else has moved in to take those opportunities and capitalise on them. I might be wrong, as I’ve said I’ve not read anything else he’s written about wasps, and can’t be bothered to at the moment as I’m trying to watch the apprentice
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