the issues (4 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Often wondered this. I have family working in HR. Why can't we performance manage Managers/Players like in any other job and then dismiss them legally through poor performance without needing to pay them?

Why do you always read managers contracts need to be paid out in full when they are dismissed? (i.e. Potter & Ten Hag)

What is it that makes footballers different? because dismissal through performance is legal, and we'd only have to pay them statutory pay (a week or so) to do so?

Infact, noone has employment rights for circa 2 years, so legally why can we not just tell some of the team to do one? (Hillsner in years gone by for example)

Assume it's additional protection that's worded into contracts etc. But does all seem abit mad.

How on earth would you define performance?

 

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[Pusb1]

How on earth would you define performance?

Output. (points), plenty of measurable metrics/data now days (distance covered on pitch signifying effort) application during training etcetc

 

[Pusb1]

and legally the first 2 years we wouldn't have to prove anything anyway. Legally we could sack them all (theoretically) for free

 

[Sick Boy]

Output. (points), plenty of measurable metrics/data now days (distance covered on pitch signifying effort) application during training etcetc

There’s no way it’d stand up against legislation. It’s also subjective and there are too many caveats.

 

[Sick Boy]

and legally the first 2 years we wouldn't have to prove anything anyway. Legally we could sack them all (theoretically) for free

It’s not quite as simple as that.

 

[Grendel]

and legally the first 2 years we wouldn't have to prove anything anyway. Legally we could sack them all (theoretically) for free

No the contracts they sign prohibit that

 

[Cally Fedora]

you clearly don’t get how it works behind the scenes do you?

players work better as a team. we have no togetherness anymore

pretty clear to see and the relationship between players and fans has changed too

If you don’t think the two are linked to how a team performs then you are mistaken

never did we used to see players bicker on the pitch

this season we’ve seen it almost every game including yesterday

Oh I understand how it works. It’s where we lack a good leader to knock a few heads together and tell them to stop being such ridiculous playground prats.

 

[Pusb1]

It’s not quite as simple as that.

I mean unless they are disabled etc (debatable on current performance) then it literally does

 

[Pusb1]

No the contracts they sign prohibit that

Thought that may be it

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Often wondered this. I have family working in HR. Why can't we performance manage Managers/Players like in any other job and then dismiss them legally through poor performance without needing to pay them?

Why do you always read managers contracts need to be paid out in full when they are dismissed? (i.e. Potter & Ten Hag)

What is it that makes footballers different? because dismissal through performance is legal, and we'd only have to pay them statutory pay (a week or so) to do so?

Infact, noone has employment rights for circa 2 years, so legally why can we not just tell some of the team to do one? (Hillsner in years gone by for example)

Assume it's additional protection that's worded into contracts etc. But does all seem abit mad.

The thing is you don’t really sack a manager in football the same way you sack me or you for instance.

Would recommend the Peterborough owners podcast as quite interesting for the backroom stuff of football

 

[shmmeee]

and legally the first 2 years we wouldn't have to prove anything anyway. Legally we could sack them all (theoretically) for free

I’m guessing it’s not a normal employment contract as others have stated if it was players could just hand in their notice.

 

[covboy9]

Main issue is lack of senior players/captain

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Main issue is lack of senior players/captain

And the lack of good youth team players breaking through into the first team.

Those who are old enough will remember the days when Dave Sexton was the manager, we had some cracking young players breaking through into the first team, just don't see these days.

 

[nicksar]

And the lack of good youth team players breaking through into the first team.

Those who are old enough will remember the days when Dave Sexton was the manager, we had some cracking young players breaking through into the first team, just don't see these days.

Sexton was brilliant...tbh he's the only Manager I was really upset to see get sacked...he stayed in the area for the rest of his life (Kenilworth).
He did bring through some fantastic youngsters but we had a brilliant old head in midfield helping them along ,Gerry Francis.

 

[rob9872]

Back then there were more opportunities, less pressure, were allowed to develop in a men's competitive reserve league and more importantly they weren't nicked by big cubs cat 1 academies with better money and facilities. We've lost talent in recent years to United, Liverpool Man City, and even Villa.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Yep, only 30% of the starters in the top flight are English now, compared to >99% then.

 

[Captain Dart]

And the lack of good youth team players breaking through into the first team.

Those who are old enough will remember the days when Dave Sexton was the manager, we had some cracking young players breaking through into the first team, just don't see these days.

Been looking on wiki, Sexton was in charge of England U21 for 15 years including the time he was Man Utd and later Cov manager. More surprisingly there is a building in Kenilworth where he lived for many years that bears his name.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Output. (points), plenty of measurable metrics/data now days (distance covered on pitch signifying effort) application during training etcetc

I mean, we do have this in a way.

I'm pretty sure some managers will have written in to their contract they can be sacked for a reduced compensation package if they get relegated etc.

Remember when we sacked Pressley it was rumoured we could sack him for a reduced compensation as we were in the relegation zone at the time.

 

[Cally Fedora]

And the lack of good youth team players breaking through into the first team.

Those who are old enough will remember the days when Dave Sexton was the manager, we had some cracking young players breaking through into the first team, just don't see these days.

And he had a certain John Sillett as youth team manager.