The misfits myth (1 Viewer)

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

For all those who have made a comment regarding Pressley having to rely on freebies etc and using this to justify the debacle on Sunday here is a question.

How many games have these players that struggled against a conference north team played in the championship of premiership?

Evo1883 · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
For all those who have made a comment regarding Pressley having to rely on freebies etc and using this to justify the debacle on Sunday here is a question.

How many games have these players that struggled against a conference north team played in the championship of premiership?

To be honest grendel , we could sign christiano ronaldo on a free and our fans would say hes a has been

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

The answer I think will surprise many.

Evo1883 · Nov 10, 2014

Im going to hazard a guess at 350-400

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

CraigSBA said:
Im going to hazard a guess at 250

A lot higher.

Evo1883 · Nov 10, 2014

Danny pugh actually has that alone i would imagine lol

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

CraigSBA said:
Danny pugh actually has that alone i would imagine lol

Ah but I am looking the players include subs who played on Sunday so Pugh Swanson and Maxine are on top.

dongonzalos · Nov 10, 2014

Probably more reflective would be how many games had

Murphy
Christie
Clarke
Wilson
Moussa
Adams
Baker
played in comparison to their replacements

Burge
Pugh
Reda
Nouble
Tudguy
Hines
JOB

It's probably slightly more appearances by the crowd that left.

ajsccfc · Nov 10, 2014

Wilson couldn't have had many more Championship appearances than me for us, surely.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

That's probably a better own goal than the one the German guy scored at the weekend.

The ones currently in the squad have played far more.

Adams has never played above league one.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Probably more reflective would be how many games had

Murphy
Christie
Clarke
Wilson
Moussa
Adams
Baker
played in comparison to their replacements

Burge
Pugh
Reda
Nouble
Tudguy
Hines
JOB

It's probably slightly more appearances by the crowd that left.

Murphy beat burge - you are wrong on every other one.

Hobo · Nov 10, 2014

As I have posted on other threads Grendel, we have youth and inexperience but we are not an inexperienced team. we have plenty of experience.

What we lack is application, attitude and professional development.

Is that due to the ownership and corporate organisation?
Is it the manager?
Is it the back room staff?

Is it the players?

The answer lies in all the above. But the owners have been here the longest and employed the rest. They have to take responsibility, short of stumbling on the right formula?

shy_tall_knight · Nov 10, 2014

Danny Pugh & Tudguy may have played at a higher level but wouldn't get near such a team now, players age differently, Garry McAllister was still a great player in his mid 30s, these 2 have started their decline earlier. Considering the likely wages we were offering, many of the players were here because they couldn't get a contract at a club in a higher league. Simeon Jackson has scored 12 goals in the last 3 and a bit seasons at 4 clubs, indicates to me that he is living off his 1 good season at Norwich, he will be gone at the end of the season also. David Prutton played at higher levels previously but is without a club currently. I believe that a lot of our signings were players there were struggling to get a club in this league.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 10, 2014

O'Brien, Johnson and Nouble will probably have close to a hundred each.
Tudgay several hundred
Martin and Jackson played probably about 50/60 games.
Barton and Thomas about 30 each

Around 700-800?

dongonzalos · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
Murphy beat burge - you are wrong on every other one.

That does surprise me. Not that I must point out have I said anything about appearances.
Quality is what is more important
Which list would you prefer?
Then think the top list never got promoted!

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

CCFC said:
O'Brien, Johnson and Nouble will probably have close to a hundred each.
Tudgay several hundred
Martin and Jackson played probably about 50/60 games.
Barton and Thomas about 30 each

Around 700-800?

Yep - its 790 - add Pugh, Swanson and Madinw and its 1,100

italiahorse · Nov 10, 2014

There playing at this level for a reason.
Some are just passing through L1 to their level.

Buster · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
Murphy beat burge - you are wrong on every other one.

Do you have to read every thread to know what posters are talking about? I am a bit slow obviously. Whats your point?

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

dongonzalos said:
That does surprise me. Not that I must point out have I said anything about appearances.
Quality is what is more important
Which list would you prefer?
Then think the top list never got promoted!

You said the top list had more appearances.

albatross · Nov 10, 2014

Originally Posted by dongonzalos

Probably more reflective would be how many games had

Murphy
Christie
Clarke
Wilson
Moussa
Adams
Baker
played in comparison to their replacements

Burge
Pugh
Reda
Nouble
Tudguy
Hines
JOB

It's probably slightly more appearances by the crowd that left.

OK put it another way. Which ones would you swap given a choice. I would have kept the first list over all of the second. Shows the environment that SP is working in.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 10, 2014

Buster said:
Do you have to read every thread to know what posters are talking about? I am a bit slow obviously. Whats your point?

The point is that we should have beat Worcester.

You could put anyone in the world in charge and they couldn't have done any worse in the FA Cup than Pressley.

Hobo · Nov 10, 2014

CCFC said:
O'Brien, Johnson and Nouble will probably have close to a hundred each.
Tudgay several hundred
Martin and Jackson played probably about 50/60 games.
Barton and Thomas about 30 each

Around 700-800?

Barton and Thomas have played around 90 professional games each. That equates, allowing for injuries and loss of form, to three seasons worth of experience each. Plus they have been brought up to play football at a professional level so have other game/life experience to draw off.

No excuses, those two have to live of their performances.

The likes of Burge, Haynes, Finch, Maddison and Phillips deserve a bit of slack and time to develop.

skybluebeduff · Nov 10, 2014

italiahorse said:
There playing at this level for a reason.
Some are just passing through L1 to their level.

They all pass backwards and sideways anyway!

We now have 11 Sammy Clingans thanks to SP and his buddies.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

CCFC said:
The point is that we should have beat Worcester.

You could put anyone in the world in charge and they couldn't have done any worse in the FA Cup than Pressley.

That's exactly the point. Blaming other factors is a joke as is the league position with the squad.

letsallsingtogether · Nov 10, 2014

Buster said:
Do you have to read every thread to know what posters are talking about? I am a bit slow obviously. Whats your point?

His point is that they have played all those games, were seen as no good by their parent clubs so we had them.

shy_tall_knight · Nov 10, 2014

This post is just nonsense, before Callum joined Bournemouth - he had played 1 game in the Championship. In 2008 we signed a right back with PL experience (Liverpool & Sunderland) , he played 66 games for us and looked awful in most, he was released and 18 months later was playing non-league - Stephen Wright so like a lot of our players there may be experience but I fear this is just a stop gap as they slide down the leagues, how many of SP's new permanent additions would we claim their career was on the up. Experience has a part to play in any team but without ability an experienced player will struggle.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
His point is that they have played all those games, were seen as no good by their parent clubs so we had them.

The same as Leon Clarke, frank moussa, Blair Adams you mean?

letsallsingtogether · Nov 10, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Probably more reflective would be how many games had

Murphy
Christie
Clarke
Wilson
Moussa
Adams
Baker
played in comparison to their replacements

Burge
Pugh
Reda
Nouble
Tudguy
Hines
JOB

It's probably slightly more appearances by the crowd that left.

No more reflective is that most of the players we shipped out went to higher standard of football. a Most of the ones we brought in have come from the youth team or have dropped down a level for not being good enough.

I know which I'd sooner have.

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
No more reflective is that most of the players we shipped out went to higher standard of football. a Most of the ones we brought in have come from the youth team or have dropped down a level for not being good enough.

I know which I'd sooner have.

No they haven't and Clarke and Christie were never going to stay.

stupot07 · Nov 10, 2014

Hobo said:
Barton and Thomas have played around 90 professional games each. That equates, allowing for injuries and loss of form, to three seasons worth of experience each. Plus they have been brought up to play football at a professional level so have other game/life experience to draw off.

No excuses, those two have to live of their performances.

The likes of Burge, Haynes, Finch, Maddison and Phillips deserve a bit of slack and time to develop.

I think he meant in the championship or above as per the OP.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors

shy_tall_knight · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
The same as Leon Clarke, frank moussa, Blair Adams you mean?

This not an argument regarding free signings v transfer fees Moussa & Leon C were cracking free signings (Blair Adams has joined the mighty Notts County - didn't rate him as a defender) there are good ones but our recent ones seem poor and 1 year contracts may be the safe option but the fact that a player is willing to accept a 1 year contract does be so many other questions.

SkyBlueCharlie · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
For all those who have made a comment regarding Pressley having to rely on freebies etc and using this to justify the debacle on Sunday here is a question.

How many games have these players that struggled against a conference north team played in the championship of premiership?

Can't be bothered to look them all up but here's a few....point taken! (note: covers all games played)

	Starts	Subs	Minutes Played
Frank Nouble	72	113	6780
Jim O'Brian	159	100	14744
Josh McCoid	94	152	8611
Reda Johnson	131	26	11418
Simeon Jackson	159	132	14908
Ryan Haynes	13	40	1263
Adam Barton	69	94	5942
Andy Webster	171	45	15013
Totals	868	702	78679

dongonzalos · Nov 10, 2014

Grendel said:
You said the top list had more appearances.

I know that's why I said it surprised me when you said its the other way round.

But I mean prior to this my concern is will sell or release quality and replace it with players not as good.

shy_tall_knight · Nov 10, 2014

I think we are all missing the main issue here experience is one thing but would we like to have a team with players as they were in their final season with us Stephen Wright Julian Gray Marcus Hall De Zoo Michael Hughes Tim Sherwood Andy Impey Trevor Benjamin Sheffers - all experienced footballers but their careers were on the slide

Grendel · Nov 10, 2014

shy_tall_knight said:
I think we are all missing the main issue here experience is one thing but would we like to have a team with players as they were in their final season with us Stephen Wright Julian Gray Marcus Hall De Zoo Michael Hughes Tim Sherwood Andy Impey Trevor Benjamin Sheffers - all experienced footballers but their careers were on the slide

So you think we should not look at championship players but sign league two and non league players as their careers are on the up?

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