The More I stare at The Fixture List......... (1 Viewer)
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flammablepiss
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First few games he gets a little lee way. Remember this: Colchester United 7 - 1 Norwich City?
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At the end of the upcoming season, I'd be satisfied with not being relegated.
Don't see us going up right back...
Don't see us going up right back...
Otis
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It will indeed.
Unfortunately I still sense a bit of a 'big club' mentality amongst some supporters here. Therefore when we lose to the likes of Yeovil or Carlisle there will be a lot more wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I see no reason why we will do well and though people have said they see nowt wrong with being optimistic, it just means when we do lose to some of these 'lesser' clubs the fall from grace will be that much harder to swallow.
We have had the warnings. Fans of other clubs have been on here and told us it's going to be really tough and a lot harder than we will be expecting and David Smith, the former City player who went on to be the commercial manager at Grimsby, a team that went up and down the leagues, said that League One is much tougher than the Championship.
Just get the feeling that if we finish mid-table there will be a lot of recriminations on here, Personally I don't think we should expect better than midtable.
Seems to me that with every defeat there will be more and more anger at the players, board and manager.
As for me personally, midtable would be a good outcome, for I can quite easily envisage a lower table finish being on the cards for us.
In this league we are going to have to battle and work our socks off game in, game out. Can you hand on heart see Gary McSheffrey and David Bell and Chris Hussey sweating blood every week?
I think a few people are going to be in for a shock on here. Unless we bring in at least another 4 or 5 players then I believe top 6 is just a pipedream.
Covstu
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But we are shit?
I agree with gaz, top 6 should not be beyond us though it will be tough
Otis
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What's is to be?
We bring another 4-5 decent quality players in and then I will think we can probably make the top 6. Fail to do that, and has been stated, the squad is too small.
stupot07
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Didn't Scunthorpe and PNE finish 18th and 15th respectively last season after being relegated the season before? Yes Sheffield United finished 3rd but they did massively revamp their squad (9 players in on permanent contracts plus another 8 loanees).
We're just as likely to do a PNE (who finished above us pretty much every season in the championship before relegation) as mount a promotion charge.
Completely agree with Otis, a lot of "big club" mentality going on.
We're just as likely to do a PNE (who finished above us pretty much every season in the championship before relegation) as mount a promotion charge.
Completely agree with Otis, a lot of "big club" mentality going on.
Can't believe you seriously think that Division1 is harder than the Championship.Walsall better than Wolves??,Bury better than Blackburn??,Shrewsbury better than Leicester??,Crewe better than Bolton??.It may not be a walk in the park in this division,and no team will just roll over and die for us,but their is a huge drop in quality in this division,in the same way the Premiership has far better sides than the Championship.I don't think anyone has ever suggested we got relegated from the Championship because we were better than all the teams in it.
stupot07
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Can't believe you seriously think that Division1 is harder than the Championship.Walsall better than Wolves??,Bury better than Blackburn??,Shrewsbury better than Leicester??,Crewe better than Bolton??.It may not be a walk in the park in this division,and no team will just roll over and die for us,but their is a huge drop in quality in this division,in the same way the Premiership has far better sides than the Championship.I don't think anyone has ever suggested we got relegated from the Championship because we were better than all the teams in it.
There's not that much of a drop in quality though, Southampton and Norwich achieved double promotions - what does that say about the quality of the championship that a promoted team blasts all the established championship teams away and get automatic promotion. Or that the 3 teams promoted to the PL survived and established PL teams were relegated. Their star players, Lambert and Holt were plying their trade in League One and Two for years before shining in the Championship and in Holts case the premier league. Don't be fooled there are a lot of decent players in league one.
stupot07
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It's nothing to do with excuses, it's about showing the league and the teams in it respect.
And tbf Otis has been highly critical of Thorn
Brighton Sky Blue
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Southampton were bankrolled by the Liebherrs and Norwich equally had the luxury of being able to splash out to add to a group of players who were already above League One quality. The momentum gained from title winning seasons pushed them to go up again; and though I may seem a little naive in saying it, I've no idea how a team containing Ward and Bennett at the heart of its defence managed to get promoted from the Championship. I've even less idea how Grant Holt scored so many goals last season in the top flight-look at their team on paper and man for man it has few you'd class as PL quality. But hey, what do I know?
Southampton were bankrolled by the Liebherrs and Norwich equally had the luxury of being able to splash out to add to a group of players who were already above League One quality. The momentum gained from title winning seasons pushed them to go up again; and though I may seem a little naive in saying it, I've no idea how a team containing Ward and Bennett at the heart of its defence managed to get promoted from the Championship. I've even less idea how Grant Holt scored so many goals last season in the top flight-look at their team on paper and man for man it has few you'd class as PL quality. But hey, what do I know?
That would be the X factor,the manager.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Remains to be seen how Hughton gets on with them-they're really lacking in quality and the wrong appointment will get them relegated.
Yeah he's a quality coach/manager from what he's done already,but its a change of Dynamic and you never know how a dressing room will react ,look at forrest with that squad after Davies left,or Chelsea for that matter.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Time will tell eventually Wingy-but I absolutely can't stand Norwich for a multitude of reasons; their success is pretty hard for me to accept!
Otis
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Can't believe you seriously think that Division1 is harder than the Championship.Walsall better than Wolves??,Bury better than Blackburn??,Shrewsbury better than Leicester??,Crewe better than Bolton??.It may not be a walk in the park in this division,and no team will just roll over and die for us,but their is a huge drop in quality in this division,in the same way the Premiership has far better sides than the Championship.I don't think anyone has ever suggested we got relegated from the Championship because we were better than all the teams in it.
All these people didn't say 'better,' they said tougher and harder.
There have been a whole stack of clubs go down to League One from the Championship and not come back for quite some time.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Leeds took a mighty long time to get their way back. Southampton took a few goes, as did Wednesday and it seems as though Sheff Utd will be down for some time yet. However, they all came back (and I'm sure Sheff Utd will eventually) in the end-clubs of that size find their level and if we don't get it right next season I remain confident that we will before too long. I'll wait before the season actually starts before making any bold assertions, though.
Well if their not better then by definition they can't be tougher and harder to beat.Better teams generally do better for the simple reason that they are better.
O f course not all sides relegated automatically come back up,but sides that get relegated or indeed promoted generally have a big turnover in players.So you are not comparing like with like.The simple fact remains that the standard of players/clubs in the Championship is higher than in Division 1.Next season playing Walsall remains an easier fixture than playing Wolves who will still retain quite a few players with Premiership experience.That doesn't mean we will automatically beat Walsall,in the same way we didn't automaticallly lose to Man Utd in the Cup a few years back.
Otis
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These aren't my words, these are the words of others.
Quite a number of opposition fans and ex players have been on here and in the press saying League One is harder.
As for me? Well I couldn't say because I have never seen League One football on anything other than an occasional basis.
Quite a number of opposition fans and ex players have been on here and in the press saying League One is harder.
As for me? Well I couldn't say because I have never seen League One football on anything other than an occasional basis.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The game isn't played on paper, as they say. I have a real suspicion that we will have a stronger team starting this season than we did last, and that says a lot about what mismanagement has done to the club.
Astute
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Which meaning of the word "harder" is being used?
Scunny can get promotion from Div3, but can't get anywhere near promotion from the Championship. Yet it is said to be harder :thinking about:
We will be going to some small grounds on a raining midweek to play against sides full of 6' plus players. It don't take a massive crowd in a small ground to make an atmosphere. But if we keep the majority of our away support this can work out to our advantage.
There is a lack of quality players in Div3. Most of our youngsters will be seen as quality. We have added a few more players, although we have lost some. We can only guess how we will do this season, but I have seen nothing to suggest we will struggle.
If anyone on here thinks we will end up in the bottom half then have a wager with me. All winnings by me going to someone on this site to be donated to charity for an event he is doing soon.
Scunny can get promotion from Div3, but can't get anywhere near promotion from the Championship. Yet it is said to be harder :thinking about:
We will be going to some small grounds on a raining midweek to play against sides full of 6' plus players. It don't take a massive crowd in a small ground to make an atmosphere. But if we keep the majority of our away support this can work out to our advantage.
There is a lack of quality players in Div3. Most of our youngsters will be seen as quality. We have added a few more players, although we have lost some. We can only guess how we will do this season, but I have seen nothing to suggest we will struggle.
If anyone on here thinks we will end up in the bottom half then have a wager with me. All winnings by me going to someone on this site to be donated to charity for an event he is doing soon.
Top six
We were not only a top six side but actually topped the league around Christmas time in our first season in the Championship. After Strachan finally left, Roland Neilson came in and took us up to the very top. But sadly it didn't last and we gradually fell away and out of the top six. That first season down was the only time we were a genuine top six club, sadly.
Is this because Norwich went on to win the League 1 Championship that year? Because Paul Lambert was the Colchester manager this day.