The need to respect everybody's point of view (2 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Your camp, like NW, is to tacitly back Sisu's position while trying to act like some sort of smug heroic 'neutral'.

Laughable.

 

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[Nick]

Your camp, like NW, is to tacitly back Sisu's position while trying to act like some sort of smug heroic 'neutral'.

Have a think before posting ay?

 

[italiahorse]

I haven't defended them. You are basically saying "I am in a majority so you must agree with me and act like me, else you are defending them and causing a divide etc etc".

No, I am saying the majority think this and people need to accept that the only way to move this forward is to go with the majority view.

Surely you can see that if the majority vote that the best way forward is to take a cut in 'what they like' yet after the vote some 10% continue to have ' all they like' then there will be a divide?

Similar to 90% of people vote that the best way to save a company is to not have a pay rise yet 10 % disagree. Should the 10% get a pay rise whilst the 90% don't ?

 

[Grendel]

Have a think before posting ay?

I think that thinking is beyond him.

 

[Nick]

Rubbish Nick most of us are working class lads brought up in working class areas of the City.
We fought our own battles our way and if people didn't like it tough.
Most of us are too old to change the way we are.
Worked at Fords for 16 years we went on strike some crossed the picket lines they were called scabs and all matter of things these were our mates for years.
When we returned to work it was forgotten in a couple of days.
That's just the way it is and always will be.
Look at Wimbledon some kept supporting the club when it moved other didn't.
They both now believe they were right.

Sorry but we already look silly playing in that shithole with less then 2000 fans.

I wouldn't say the fans look silly for us being moved?

 

[ccfc92]

How have I?

Yes, it is a democracy. It doesn't mean everybody has to think the same, act the same way and have the same opinion as the majority does it?

I didn't say that did I? If you actually read posts, rather than discriminate the poster instead of the post.

Anyway, what I was saying is, say we all boycott, zero home fans, and we don't then go back to Ricoh, surely the minority can have the "I told you so" opinion still. Same with the other way round.

Like you said, does everyone have to support conservative, no they don't, but they can still say "haha, told you they weren't the correct choice".

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

Laughable.

The evidence over years suggests otherwise-- yellow, quacks, sisu duck etc.

 

[Nick]

No, I am saying the majority think this and people need to accept that the only way to move this forward is to go with the majority view.

Surely you can see that if the majority vote that the best way forward is to take a cut in 'what they like' yet after the vote some 10% continue to have ' all they like' then there will be a divide?

Similar to 90% of people vote that the best way to save a company is to not have a pay rise yet 10 % disagree. Should the 10% get a pay rise whilst the 90% don't ?

This isn't voting on something though is it? If it was a "vote on if we should go back to the ricoh" then I am pretty sure everybody would agree. This is talking about people's opinions and views, you are saying people should change them because of the majority to agree with the majority.

If it is a vote on something like a pay rise cut like your example then fair enough, that isn't a what you should think, how you should act, what your opinion is kind of thing is it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The evidence over years suggests otherwise-- yellow, quacks, sisu duck etc.

I think your memory's shot old boy.

 

[Nick]

I didn't say that did I? If you actually read posts, rather than discriminate the poster instead of the post.

Anyway, what I was saying is, say we all boycott, zero home fans, and we don't then go back to Ricoh, surely the minority can have the "I told you so" opinion still. Same with the other way round.

Like you said, does everyone have to support conservative, no they don't, but they can still say "haha, told you they weren't the correct choice".

So you are saying that everybody should change their actions and views to join the majority so they then get bragging rights? You are saying people should change what they think and the actions they take to agree with the majority by boycotting just because the majority want to?

I can't see where I discriminated the poster?

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

I think your memory's shot old boy.

Sadly not. Disappointing because you used to be a decent poster, but got the biggest issue in our history completely wrong- and were nauseatingly smug and self-important in the process.

 

[ccfc92]

So you are saying that everybody should change their actions and views to join the majority so they then get bragging rights? You are saying people should change what they think and the actions they take to agree with the majority by boycotting just because the majority want to?

I can't see where I discriminated the poster?

No. I'm saying if they are so certain in their opinion, they would prove it. The 1500 say that do go say, right a total boycott, one game, and let's see. Then if we weren't back they can say their opinion is justified.

Waiting for my Dr.evil/speechmarks reply, but the thread was closed.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Sadly not. Disappointing because you used to be a decent poster, but got the biggest issue in our history completely wrong- and were nauseatingly smug and self-important in the process.

Used to be a decent poster, until I decided you were a bit of a pillock?

Edit to say a bit unfair... not a bit of a pillock at all...

 

[Nick]

No. I'm saying if they are so certain in their opinion, they would prove it. The 1500 say that do go say, right a total boycott, one game, and let's see. Then if we weren't back they can say their opinion is justified.

Waiting for my Dr.evil/speechmarks reply, but the thread was closed.

So what has that got to do with a democracy???

Any issues with closed threads, just drop me a PM.

 

[ccfc92]

So what has that got to do with a democracy???

Any issues with closed threads, just drop me a PM.

Your the one who mentioned conservatives. I'm just saying if I believed in something so much, I'd be willing to be proved wrong.

A good example would be RFC and a certain senior poster shall we say, almost praying the JR would be won by sisu. (They're opinion remember). And when they lost, huge backtracks and "no, I didn't say that".

All I'm saying is, those that attend strongly believe they aren't influencing a return, so why not prove it.

I didn't have a problem with the thread being closed, but using the English language I don't see how that warranted the Dr Evil post?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

A straight forward, not taking the piss question here....Why, "If as some of you claim" are anti-SISU, yet jump to their defence if a poster says anything remotely Anti-SISU?

 

[Nick]

Your the one who mentioned conservatives. I'm just saying if I believed in something so much, I'd be willing to be proved wrong.

A good example would be RFC and a certain senior poster shall we say, almost praying the JR would be won by sisu. (They're opinion remember). And when they lost, huge backtracks and "no, I didn't say that".

All I'm saying is, those that attend strongly believe they aren't influencing a return, so why not prove it.

I didn't have a problem with the thread being closed, but using the English language I don't see how that warranted the Dr Evil post?

I wasn't the one who mentioned the conservatives or said anything about a democracy was I?

You said:

Surely as a democratic society, those in the minority follow the majority, and then if the majority are proved wrong, the minority can be smug about it?

 

[Buster]

So you are saying that everybody should change their actions and views to join the majority so they then get bragging rights? You are saying people should change what they think and the actions they take to agree with the majority by boycotting just because the majority want to?


I can't see where I discriminated the poster?

I don't think that the majority should expect the minority to change their mind but also I don't think that one of the majority should be chastised for being "argumentative and devisive " when they continue to post to put across their point of view .

 

[ccfc92]

It doesn't mean that everybody has to change their views to the majority does it? Does that mean everybody now has the support the conservatives because of it?

So this isn't mentioning the conservatives?

Do we really have to this every time I ask you a question?

 

[Nick]

A straight forward, not taking the piss question here....Why, "If as some of you claim" are anti-SISU, yet jump to their defence if a poster says anything remotely Anti-SISU?

Where? I don't think anybody defends them when people put their point across and have an actual point but when people say Tim Fisher is a wanker because he has a beard they need to be corrected that beards are actually cool.

It depends what is being said doesn't it?

 

[Nick]

So this isn't mentioning the conservatives?

Do we really have to this every time I ask you a question?

Did you not see the post I quoted when I posted that? I didn't bring politics or democracy up.

This one:

It's life in this country. Less than 50% support the conservatives yet they are the majority party and have the main say in running this country.

So it wasn't me who brought up the conservatives or democracy was it?

 

[ccfc92]

Did you not see the post I quoted when I posted that? I didn't bring politics or democracy up.

I just used your post to ask you a question. Do you still not know what I'm asking?

 

[Nick]

I don't think that the majority should expect the minority to change their mind but also I don't think that one of the majority should be chastised for being "argumentative and devisive " when they continue to post to put across their point of view .

I agree they shouldn't, the same as somebody in a minority shouldn't. However if they get abusive because of it (either way) it isn't on.

 

[Nick]

I just used your post to ask you a question. Do you still not know what I'm asking?

No, spit it out. You were the one bringing up democracy, somebody else used conservatives as an example. You said:

Surely as a democratic society, those in the minority follow the majority

What has this country being a democracy got to do with anything?

 

[ccfc92]

No, spit it out. You were the one bringing up democracy, somebody else used conservatives as an example.

What has this country being a democracy got to do with anything?

Nothing?

I asked, if those that go are so certain they are right, that them going does not affect a return, why would they not prove it?

 

[Nick]

Nothing?

I asked, if those that go are so certain they are right, that them going does not affect a return, why would they not prove it?

Some would, some wouldn't. Everybody is different. You make people so sure it will work and I bet less would go.

You were the one who went on about it being a democratic society originally so the minority should follow? How has that turned into people should do it to prove a point? Why make a statement about society if it has no relevance?

 

[Samo]

Nothing?

I asked, if those that go are so certain they are right, that them going does not affect a return, why would they not prove it?

Why don't you prove that it does? Bullshit argument.

 

[ccfc92]

Some would, some wouldn't. Everybody is different.

You were the one who went on about it being a democratic society originally so the minority should follow? How has that turned into people should do it to prove a point?

The only relation I made to democracy, is those that didn't vote for the party in power have every right to say I told you that they wouldn't be the right choice.

I was just saying if I'm so certain in something, I'd happily be proved wrong, if people said what I thought was wrong.

It works both ways, those that go say it doesn't influence anything. So boycott or pack sixfields out, either way proves them correct, yes?

 

[Nick]

The only relation I made to democracy, is those that didn't vote for the party in power have every right to say I told you that they wouldn't be the right choice.

I was just saying if I'm so certain in something, I'd happily be proved wrong, if people said what I thought was wrong.

It works both ways, those that go say it doesn't influence anything. So boycott or pack sixfields out, either way proves them correct, yes?

No, you said:

Surely as a democratic society, those in the minority follow the majority

That is nothing to do with being proved wrong. That the minority should follow the majority.

Maybe that is why I can't keep up with your questions and statements and I can't read your mind. I don't know if it is because it is late but you say one thing but it means another?

 

[ccfc92]

Why don't you prove that it does? Bullshit argument.

See my reply.

Let's say I'm the only one who goes to sixfields, and you all say me going stops us going back to the Ricoh. So I boycott, we go back and I put my hands up saying I was wrong.

On the the other side of the coin, if those that do go boycott, doesn't make any difference, then those who don't go can't say your influencing a return.

Correct?

 

[ccfc92]

No, you said:



That is nothing to do with being proved wrong. That the minority should follow the majority.

Just read my reply to Samo. That's all I'm trying to ask you.

 

[Nick]

Just read my reply to Samo. That's all I'm trying to ask you.

So just ask it rather than go on about majoritys and minoritys and people having to follow because of democracy

I'd have no issue boycotting a single game to see if it made a difference. The same as I said in another thread I'd be the first to ask for some humble pie if a protest i doubted got us back

 

[Samo]

See my reply.

Let's say I'm the only one who goes to sixfields, and you all say me going stops us going back to the Ricoh. So I boycott, we go back and I put my hands up saying I was wrong.

On the the other side of the coin, if those that do go boycott, doesn't make any difference, then those who don't go can't say your influencing a return.

Correct?

Sorry, too many double negatives, too late at night. Could you simplify that?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@ Nick....You are always defending SISU. When ever anyone (Especially me) have a gripe about SISU, Fisher, Septic, etc,etc. I don't think there is anyone on this forum who "Excuses" SISU more than You, Grenduffy, Torchy, canyouhearthedrums. and half a dozen more. It's pathetic the way you "Come to their aid" at every chance you get.

 

[ccfc92]

So just ask it rather than go on about majoritys and minoritys and people having to follow because of democracy

I'd have no issue boycotting a single game to see if it made a difference. The same as I said in another thread I'd be the first to ask for some humble pie if a protest i doubted got us back

The only reason I mentioned democracy etc, is not everyone agrees on everything, so some one who voted Labour has every right to say "see, I was right" when Tories mess it up. Agreed? Same with every other scenario.

That's all I'm saying, if the majority or minority are proved wrong, the minority or majority have to hold their hands up and say that they were wrong.