The Next Southampton (2 Viewers)

[The Reverend Skyblue]

All we need is a A rab or Ruskie billonaire with money to launder, i mean invest.

bugger I'm not an Arab or Russian

 

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[wingy]

I agree there are no real financial comparisons to be made, but we are beginning to get a team together that look as if they might be capable of playing great football like Southampton, Swansea and Norwich did when they were down in League 1.

Just need to learn to swamp the ref now, much like those teams, especially the English ones.
Surprised we didn't on Tuesday night with the disallowed goal, they were master's at It.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Spot on WM.

Also, didn't S'oton turn down SISU IIRC?

They did. It was alleged that at the last minute that Rupert Lowe (boring fact alert - he parked his car next to mine the day he walked out of SFC and put them into admin) wanted more money from SISU to take over the club.

Saints fans hated Lowe. In hindsight, had he not allegedly been so greedy, they probably wouldn't be playing European football this season.


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[Grendel]

So how much are ACL making then?

Do you not even understand revenues and profit?

 

[chiefdave]

Southampton, Swansea and Norwich

The sad thing is for many years people would have seen us as comparable to the likes of Southampton and Norwich, if not ahead of them. We're nowhere near following in their footsteps at the moment.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

The sad thing is for many years people would have seen us as comparable to the likes of Southampton and Norwich, if not ahead of them. We're nowhere near following in their footsteps at the moment.

I never get such comparisons. All 3 of those teams only really have one rival in their regional catchment areas...Portsmouth, Cardiff and Norwich. That fact alone accounts for many differences based on fan base, revenues and attractiveness to investors.


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[stupot07]

How many rent a stadium as good as ours for just 100k?

We don't have to pay for the upkeep of it. How much do other clubs have to pay?

For 2 + 2 years. It will never be this cheap again, we do contribute to the upkeep in both the rent and matchday costs. You can't treat this deal as the the 'norm'.


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[SkyblueBazza]

Youve obviously not read my post, it's not about the "one game" it's about the fact we seem to have turned a corner, we've got the best manager we've had since being in the Prem and the team he's building is one that fills me with positivity,

just me ? Ok, go about your business folks.....

The only corner we have turned is the one that meant we could look somewhere different for a new stadium location.

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[Astute]

For 2 + 2 years. It will never be this cheap again, we do contribute to the upkeep in both the rent and matchday costs. You can't treat this deal as the the 'norm'.

No it is not as you say the 'norm'.

But why is it that you never admit to not knowing about the rent deal? Why was it so cheap? It could be to have got us back. It could be as I suspect that SISU only wanted a basic package. No offices. No nothing. Like when Tim said he didn't want to have to pay for a small office. Didn't want to pay for anything that wouldn't have a big income bonus. Are ACL making much money out of us? Having a much bigger income but not much more profit would help CCFC but it wouldn't help SISU. We would be able to spend more on the squad but it would cost SISU more.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

I never get such comparisons. All 3 of those teams only really have one rival in their regional catchment areas...Portsmouth, Cardiff and Norwich. That fact alone accounts for many differences based on fan base, revenues and attractiveness to investors.


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Spot on

 

[mrtrench]

Why stop with Southampton? Man City were relegated to the old Third Division in 1998. After that victory over Wigan I feel sure we will be winning at least one European Cup within the next 5 years.

 

[shmmeee]

Youve obviously not read my post, it's not about the "one game" it's about the fact we seem to have turned a corner, we've got the best manager we've had since being in the Prem and the team he's building is one that fills me with positivity,

just me ? Ok, go about your business folks.....

We haven't "turned a corner". We've won one game.

I like TM, the team looks exciting, things are good. But we are one game into the season, it's far too early to be making any kind of long term predictions about the state of the club.

 

[Astute]

Why stop with Southampton? Man City were relegated to the old Third Division in 1998. After that victory over Wigan I feel sure we will be winning at least one European Cup within the next 5 years.

Because Manchester City pay 3m a year rent

 

[shmmeee]

Because Manchester City pay 3m a year rent

Fools. They should move to Northampton.

 

[mrtrench]

Fools. They should move to Northampton.

I'd like to see all clubs move to Northampton. Like some kind of football centre of excellence.

 

[italiahorse]

Do you not even understand revenues and profit?

Sorry did I miss your answer ?

 

[chiefdave]

Because Manchester City pay 3m a year rent

You should probably but that into context. When they first moved in they were paying a % a ticket sales above the capacity of the old stadium which was working out to approx £2m a year. The deal was changed to a rent of £2m a year however the big difference in the new deal is Man City get to keep the the money generated from naming rights, currently £35m a year.

 

[Astute]

You should probably but that into context. When they first moved in they were paying a % a ticket sales above the capacity of the old stadium which was working out to approx £2m a year. The deal was changed to a rent of £2m a year however the big difference in the new deal is Man City get to keep the the money generated from naming rights, currently £35m a year.

It is always put things into context though. Hull paid less as the ground was paid for by the people of Hull. But it was the low rent that was used. Bournemouth paid 450k a year for a 11.5k stadium but it was OK as they are now run by a rich bloke. Doesn't matter about the years before him. Man City pay 3m a year but it is OK as they are a much bigger club than ours.

 

[Grendel]

It is always put things into context though. Hull paid less as the ground was paid for by the people of Hull. But it was the low rent that was used. Bournemouth paid 450k a year for a 11.5k stadium but it was OK as they are now run by a rich bloke. Doesn't matter about the years before him. Man City pay 3m a year but it is OK as they are a much bigger club than ours.

No it's ok because they get all naming rights which actually means it's rent free.

 

[chiefdave]

Come on astute, surely you can see there's a huge difference between paying £2m rent to get £35m sponsorship in return and a deal such as ours where we pretty much get nothing but access to the pitch for a few hours.

 

[Astute]

Come on astute, surely you can see there's a huge difference between paying £2m rent to get £35m sponsorship in return and a deal such as ours where we pretty much get nothing but access to the pitch for a few hours.

And who's fault is that? Utter greed.

Like I said it is easy to pick clubs with a better deal in some way. When we were paying too much it was all about the rent. Now we have a very low rent it is about anything but the rent. If Bournemouth is mentioned it is all about their rich owner.

 

[chiefdave]

The rent needs to be a reasonable level. Any rent deal needs to give access to all revenues 365 days a year. Without that we are way behind pretty much every other team.

A rich owner would be nice and if they were prepared to chuck money in with no hope of a return would offset any issues with rent or lack of revenues.

 

[stupot07]

And who's fault is that? Utter greed.

Like I said it is easy to pick clubs with a better deal in some way. When we were paying too much it was all about the rent. Now we have a very low rent it is about anything but the rent. If Bournemouth is mentioned it is all about their rich owner.

We have less than 3 years left on the deal and wasps can cancel it at the end of this season. You keep going on about this low rent deal (yes, it's great) but what happens in 3 years time.

And Bournemouth rent their 11.5k stadium but get 100% F&B's, can sell stand sponsorship, stadium naming rights, advertising in and outside the ground, car parking and 365 day revenues through conferences, etc. also having limited seating means seats are at the premium meaning they can charge a lot more as demand outstrips supply.

http://www.afcb.co.uk/commercial/

You will again say these things matter not one bit, by if that's the case why would clubs bother?

Funny really because of this extra revenue bournemouths turnover was just £700k less than ours in the championship despite us averaging 6k more. Yes, the their rich owner pumped in cash, £15m to get out of league one and a further £10m (wage bill £17m) in their first season in the championship, so with further improving their squad they would have made further losses of £10-15m in their promotion season.

 

[Astute]

The rent needs to be a reasonable level. Any rent deal needs to give access to all revenues 365 days a year. Without that we are way behind pretty much every other team.

A rich owner would be nice and if they were prepared to chuck money in with no hope of a return would offset any issues with rent or lack of revenues.

I agree with most of it. But how much is 365 revenue worth for most clubs? They don't have an arena like the Ricoh. Parking spaces are limited at most grounds. Most grounds do not have lots of meeting rooms. They don't have a hotel. They don't have a casino. They have all the overheads though that we don't. So how much is the 365 worth to most clubs? Not as much as many would like you to believe.

 

[chiefdave]

I agree with most of it. But how much is 365 revenue worth for most clubs? They don't have an arena like the Ricoh. Parking spaces are limited at most grounds. Most grounds do not have lots of meeting rooms. They don't have a hotel. They don't have a casino. They have all the overheads though that we don't. So how much is the 365 worth to most clubs? Not as much as many would like you to believe.

You couldn't have a ground that is more dilapidated than Fratton Park and has less facilities for generating revenue. They made just short of £1.5m according to their most recent accounts from non matchday revenues. They paid around £100K in ground maintenance the first year the trust was in charge, said to be an unusually high amount as nothing had been done for years.

 

[Astute]

You couldn't have a ground that is more dilapidated than Fratton Park and has less facilities for generating revenue. They made just short of £1.5m according to their most recent accounts from non matchday revenues. They paid around £100K in ground maintenance the first year the trust was in charge, said to be an unusually high amount as nothing had been done for years.

Where is that info? Not what I saw at all. They may have taken that much before expenses but it wasn't profit. They do concerts and that sort. But here we are cherry picking numbers again. What a change fro Bournemouth to Portsmouth.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Where is that info? Not what I saw at all. They may have taken that much before expenses but it wasn't profit. They do concerts and that sort. But here we are cherry picking numbers again. What a change fro Bournemouth to Portsmouth.

I think Fratton Park has only had one concert if I recall correctly, which was Madness a month or so back.

 

[Astute]

I think Fratton Park has only had one concert if I recall correctly, which was Madness a month or so back.

Must sell over 1m pies each year then

 

[CovisGod]

Yep

"just one win"

"Haven't turned a corner"

Am I the only one that can see the steps forward were making ? Anyway the negativity in this thread is bringing me down ! I'll carry on celebrating a 4-0 away win against a team that were relegated last year with a much bigger a budget than ours,

But no, we haven't turned a corner, were still shit, were going down, SISU out, Mogga out etc.

 

[stupot07]

Leicester are going to win the PL.



On a serious note, I think most are delirious with the start we have had, but it is a 46 game season. we have a great manager, who has brought in some talented player but let's just enjoy each win without getting ahead of ourselves.

 

[CovisGod]

You see you've not even bothered to read my posts have you ?

Nowhere have I said were going to win the League, or even get promoted, people have just took the title of the thread and made there own minds up about its content

This thread was supposed to be about us finally turning a corner and building a group of young players that Mowbray can introduce a winning mentality in to, much like Southampton did.

Nothing to do with back to back promotions or huge budgets or any of that.

I swear a lot of our fans must sit there with a permenant frown. I personally think things are in the process of changing for the better and I for one am going to enjoy the ride instead of trying to pick holes and piss on people's chips at every available opportunity

 

[CovisGod]

Edit - posted before yours was amended so didn't see you actually do have a bit of glass half full in you