The October rumour (1 Viewer)

[stevefloyd]

Whilst I would like to return to the Ricoh, (well Coventry to be fair), the pitch is no good. We played better football at Northampton and we seem to be doing alright at St Andrews. It's a dilemma

Totally agree once those fucking cloggers get on it its knackered and akin to playing on a ploughed field although hopefully the crowds would increase

 

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[oldskyblue58]

Does anyone know if the ten year extension is signed on the same terms or not.

There's got to be some reason for the bond price to be in constant free fall, and falling much more rapidly than usual recently.

Most bond prices have fallen because of brexit uncertainty. The price is irrelevant to day to day wasp operations

 

[oldskyblue58]

That’s if Birmingham want us there long term something I’m not convinced about.

Why wouldn't they .... given they will benefit from it by I suspect over a net £500k and the pitch maintenance shared

 

[Philosoraptor]

Most bond prices have fallen because of brexit uncertainty. The price is irrelevant to day to day wasp operations

But the bond price has been falling since 2016. If I can remember back then the project was being celebrated as a success by some people because of the bond price reaching 111.5ish.

I certainly don't hear the same thing now that it's crashed down to 88.

Brexit can't be blamed on everything.

 

[oldskyblue58]

The bond price isnt a reflection of current finances.... the last audit was a year ago and interim figures to December had pretty much stabilised.

Yes price has dropped but they were for a long period above par.

But the bond price is irrelevant to day to day operations or understanding those finances

 

[pusbccfc]

The only time we had any real increase was the Armstrong season.

Even when we were doing well in League 2, we couldn't muster 15k for a league game. We couldn't even manage a good crowd for the play off first leg.

If we were to get back to the Ricoh the first game would be around 13k.


However, I do genuinely believe in the championship our crowds would regularly hit 20k. The away followings in that division are huge. The vast majority take over 1500 a week and there are about 10 clubs who could sell 5000 at the Ricoh. Plus, playing the likes of Leeds as well as local games against Brum and Forest would feel like cup finals compared to Forest Green and Fleetwood we have become used to.

 

[Sick Boy]

The only time we had any real increase was the Armstrong season.

Even when we were doing well in League 2, we couldn't muster 15k for a league game. We couldn't even manage a good crowd for the play off first leg.

If we were to get back to the Ricoh the first game would be around 13k.


However, I do genuinely believe in the championship our crowds would regularly hit 20k. The away followings in that division are huge. The vast majority take over 1500 a week and there are about 10 clubs who could sell 5000 at the Ricoh. Plus, playing the likes of Leeds as well as local games against Brum and Forest would feel like cup finals compared to Forest Green and Fleetwood we have become used to.

That is a good point and I think people would return over time, I reckon we'd average around 18K

 

[junglej13]

One comment I did hear from someone who bought his seat at Ricoh, was that they had tried to make enquiries about a refund or something similar and were told pretty much the club/Wasps would look into this in October. Not sure if anyone on here has made similar enquiries?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If we were to return it would need to be on our own terms with access to all revenue, including future stadium sponsorship rights. If we were back in the Championship they’d be potential for increased revenue through sponsorship which we should have the majority of.

At the moment we’d have a glass ceiling over us imposed by them.

Championship football would draw more than Premiership egg chasing for sure. Definitely in their interests to keep us under their thumb lest they become a smaller 'attraction'

 

[Sick Boy]

Championship football would draw more than Premiership egg chasing for sure. Definitely in their interests to keep us under their thumb lest they become a smaller 'attraction'

Absolutely, we need to make sure we are least equals if we were to go back. I’d rather have nothing to do with them whatsoever though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Absolutely, we need to make sure we are least equals if we were to go back. I’d rather have nothing to do with them whatsoever though.

I agree but all that leaves is building a new ground which the owners never seem to have taken seriously. With that as it is I don't see a route back

 

[shmmeee]

Absolutely, we need to make sure we are least equals if we were to go back. I’d rather have nothing to do with them whatsoever though.

Can’t see either the council or Wasps having a good enough relationship with Sisu for a joint venture, not Sisu suggesting one that’s acceptable. Playing nice with others is hardly their forte.

Best case is new stadium is 5-7 years away once the EU action is done (potentially another 5-7 years).

If we want to stay in Brum until we have our own place it could be 10-15 years.

Edit: just realised this should say worst case not best case.

 

[CanadianCCFC]

The biggest issue as far as I am concerned is the playing surface. We are playing a type of football well above normal league 1 norms. It won’t always work when we come up against destroyer teams but we have a much better chance on a decent surface. In any return to The Ricoh this has to be high on the negotiating agenda. Wonder how much MR would be consulted

Yeah let’s stay at St Andrews this season, in league 1 where most teams don’t play good football, get promoted, then get back to the shit pitch Ricoh for the championship, where other clubs will undoubtedly be able to play football equally well or better than us.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I'm saying 8000 for next game Blackpool

Will Blackpool bring many or will they boycott to support the trust. Are the mad haters attending Birmingham as I haven’t seen them in every picture taken like normal.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Will Blackpool bring many or will they boycott to support the trust. Are the mad haters attending Birmingham as I haven’t seen them in every picture taken like normal.

I haven't seen them or the mad hatters

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I haven't seen them or the mad hatters

They’ll be there when we have a televised game don’t you worry.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The fact is the gates could be over 20k if the good season continues and that’s a hell of a lot of money and income for everybody including ccfc. The casino for example must be dead on a Saturday afternoon when it could be rammed with hundreds of punters.

I have no idea on any rumours but I think there is a lot of truth in the fact that this situation can’t continue. Something has to give and fairly soon.

20k ? At at Andrews ? You can halve that and then take a bit more off.

 

[wince]

I haven't seen them or the mad hatters

They’ll be there when we have a televised game don’t you worry.

Another pop at our fans nice one

 

[Grendel]

Another pop at our fans nice one

Is one of them still advising Dale?

 

[Tommo1993]

Another pop at our fans nice one

Pretty accurate though. I stood on the hill at Northampton for all but two games, and they turned up the one time we had a televised game.

Think I’d rather have the trust be the face of Coventry fans.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I think it's pretty clear we are better off without the Ricoh.

Things have looked up on-the-pitch-wise since we went to St Andrews.

We should stay where we bloody well are.

Of course, had we stayed at the Ricoh things on the pitch may have been equally as positive.

 

[Nick]

Of course, had we stayed at the Ricoh things on the pitch may have been equally as positive.

Would be a struggle as there is no pitch

 

[MalcSB]

Not in the condition it’s in now. Unless we take up beach volleyball.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Is one of them still advising Dale?

No he died half way through last season.
Not a joke btw.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Thing is if we get promoted we won't be able to play in Birmingham I believe it is in the FL rules.
Then again we could move to Villa.

 

[CanadianCCFC]

Thing is if we get promoted we won't be able to play in Birmingham I believe it is in the FL rules.
Then again we could move to Villa.

If we get promoted and wasps still don’t give up their stance then it means they’re either stupid or flowing in riches.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

If we get promoted and wasps still don’t give up their stance then it means they’re either stupid or flowing in riches.

Same could be said about sisu?

 

[Grendel]

Same could be said about sisu?

No as they can’t sign the deal that’s on offer. The only one that could change stance is wasps

I do not think they will and I see it very unlikely we will return

 

[CanadianCCFC]

Same could be said about sisu?

Which stance is it that sisu can give up right now that would get us back to the Ricoh?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Which stance is it that sisu can give up right now that would get us back to the Ricoh?

Sign everything over to Hoffman and the council

 

[Magwitch]

No as they can’t sign the deal that’s on offer. The only one that could change stance is wasps

I do not think they will and I see it very unlikely we will return

So where do we go then ?

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Not sure how much truth is in this but heard that the casino are not happy about losing the income from CCFC matches that they
are refusing to pay the rent deal to wasps plus the hotel group are doing the same.
This could all be pie in the sky stuff but what if this is true.

Nonsense about the 'hotel group'. The hotel is owned by ACL and only run by Hilton under a franchised agreement.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Sign everything over to Hoffman and the council

That would be like me letting my daughter going on holiday with the McCanns

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Same could be said about sisu?

What can SISU do?

 

[Limey]

Oldskyblue58 - do you ever see a split partnership working and do you think it's ever likely to happen?