The one reason why we have steadily got worse... (1 Viewer)

[Fergusons_Beard]

It's basically down to a cycle of player sales, loanies and contracts running out (players leaving on a free).

Now you can blame that either on the owners and a ever decreasing player budget and a strategy based on selling a key player every year to balance the books.

Or managers/club recruitment who's transfer strategy has failed.

Or players asking for more money than they're worth.

Or a mixture of all of the above.

We get a yearly cycle of players leaving, who are either replaced by players of not the same quality or by loans who have no affinity with the club.

This cycle gradually leaves a squad with little depth or quality, a sequence that leads to poor club form and one that leads eventually to manager changes.

Which further complicates things as the inherited (even depleted) playing squad doesn't fit the philosophy of the new manager and further disruption happens.

Unfortunately for us the time when our transfer policy was buying the best young players in league 1 (Westwood, Fox, Dan etc) coincided with one of crappest managers (Coleman) and the policy of selling our best young players, coincided with one of our better managers (Mowbray ).

To be successful we need a mixture of decent transfer policy and a decent manager to take advantage of it!


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[blueflint]

pretty fair sum up but i blame the owners for the strategy

 

[shy_tall_knight]

Many on here will state that all league 1 clubs work on a squad of free transfers loans and short-term contracts, a comparison of our squad yesterday v the equivalent fixture last season just over 12 months ago

Of the outfield players in the team and the squad just 4 (Lameiras tudgay Kelly Evans & Haynes ) were involved in both games (either starting or on subs bench) Chesterfield had 7 outfield players involved in both.

A constant churn of players ensures instability puts massive risk on the summer recruitment which when you get it wrong like we did it can be devastating, rather than changing just a few players we regularly overhaul our squad.

Another side-not to squad churn no player is ever here long enough to become a fan's favourite / hero.

 

[davebart]

The 'experts' talk about coaching but as far as I can see there is no such thing. No manager ever wants to work with the shit players/backroom staff he inherits he always wants to bring in his own shit players/backroom staff.

It is just a merry go round.

 

[Brylowes]

Many on here will state that all league 1 clubs work on a squad of free transfers loans and short-term contracts, a comparison of our squad yesterday v the equivalent fixture last season just over 12 months ago

Of the outfield players in the team and the squad just 4 (Lameiras tudgay Kelly Evans & Haynes ) were involved in both games (either starting or on subs bench) Chesterfield had 7 outfield players involved in both.

A constant churn of players ensures instability puts massive risk on the summer recruitment which when you get it wrong like we did it can be devastating, rather than changing just a few players we regularly overhaul our squad.

Another side-not to squad churn no player is ever here long enough to become a fan's favourite / hero.

Exactly, the team rarely plays as a team because the nucleus of players are never together
Long enough to gain an understanding, leading to the all important "team spirit"

 

[Otis]

pretty fair sum up but i blame the owners for the strategy

You can blame the owners for the strategy, but you have to blame TM and MV for this summer's abomination of a squad build.

 

[Hobo]

It's basically down to a cycle of player sales, loanies and contracts running out (players leaving on a free).

Now you can blame that either on the owners and a ever decreasing player budget and a strategy based on selling a key player every year to balance the books.

Or managers/club recruitment who's transfer strategy has failed.

Or players asking for more money than they're worth.

Or a mixture of all of the above.

We get a yearly cycle of players leaving, who are either replaced by players of not the same quality or by loans who have no affinity with the club.

This cycle gradually leaves a squad with little depth or quality, a sequence that leads to poor club form and one that leads eventually to manager changes.

Which further complicates things as the inherited (even depleted) playing squad doesn't fit the philosophy of the new manager and further disruption happens.

Unfortunately for us the time when our transfer policy was buying the best young players in league 1 (Westwood, Fox, Dan etc) coincided with one of crappest managers (Coleman) and the policy of selling our best young players, coincided with one of our better managers (Mowbray ).

To be successful we need a mixture of decent transfer policy and a decent manager to take advantage of it!


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Agree totally that this is behind our current situation. The lack of squad continuity breeds a I wont be herequired long mentality. Couple that with a distinct lack of ambition from the senior management, sending a message that no one cares. Fans can't really identify with the team with such a high turnover, when promising youngsters are sold before they have even established themselves in our first team.

We need to back a manager who can build and retain a squad. Three year rolling plans. Yes people will leave but the core of the squad should be relatively stable.

 

[Monners]

A fair summary by the OP.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Since selling Highfield Road we've not had access to the same resources as similar size clubs. Coupled with a lack of investment and proper development strategy we're not unable to compete with smaller clubs

 

[shy_tall_knight]

You can blame the owners for the strategy, but you have to blame TM and MV for this summer's abomination of a squad build.

I agree but when you are constantly overhauling the squad with a medium size budget for the division there is always a reasonable risk that you get it horribly wrong like TM did in summer 2016 and SP did in summer 2014

 

[4waspsting]

To be fair its Just a Total Fuck Up all round ....................! some one soon will stop the Mistakes

 

[blueflint]

You can blame the owners for the strategy, but you have to blame TM and MV for this summer's abomination of a squad build.

otis m8 did they have a choice as most players would avoid us like the plague

 

[Otis]

otis m8 did they have a choice as most players would avoid us like the plague

Well Russell Slade got Beavon and Clarke in easily and quickly enough.

Had Mowbray brought players of this ilk in, in summer we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[clint van damme]

You can blame the owners for the strategy, but you have to blame TM and MV for this summer's abomination of a squad build.

I certainly blame both. sisu could think a bit longer term in putting together the nucleus of the squad on longer term contracts.
It may be to do that we have to sign players of a lower calibre due to budgetary constraints, but with the right coach to develop them and stamping a distinctive playing style on the squad I think it would be beneficial.

However, even taking into account what a cluster fuck the club is, TM and MV got the summer recruitment badly wrong.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

It's going to happen again-you only have to look at the amount of players who are at the end of their contracts July '17 to release we'll be starting to rebuild yet another new squad....


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