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  • Start date Oct 3, 2021
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Mcbean

Mcbean

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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #386
Sadly we will be hard done by this and I reckon there will not be another occurrence this season
 
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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #387
shmmeee said:
The rule is conning the ref for a pen or red card so no. Here’s one though: last season at Luton Fadz got a pen given for a handball that wasn’t. Should every Luton player who appealed get a two match ban?
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Just one match will do next time we play them
 
JAM See

JAM See

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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #388
I suggest everyone googles 'Godden Dive'.

It is not news. Two match ban, move on.

I've said earlier...

He cheated.
It was good for the team that he cheated.
I'm glad he cheated.

The wider football media have no interest in this story.
 
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Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #389
shmmeee said:
The rule is conning the ref for a pen or red card so no. Here’s one though: last season at Luton Fadz got a pen given for a handball that wasn’t. Should every Luton player who appealed get a two match ban?
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That isn't the rule, it's bringing the game into disrepute. In this case by the act of diving, it resulting in a penalty shouldn't have anything to do with it as there is no mention of it in the rules.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #390
Liquid Gold said:
That isn't the rule, it's bringing the game into disrepute. In this case by the act of diving, it resulting in a penalty shouldn't have anything to do with it as there is no mention of it in the rules.
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Nope.

help.thefa.com

How does The FA decide whether to charge a player when they have successfully deceived a match official?

The FA can take retrospective action in situations where a match official has been deceived by a player and as a direct result: A penalty has been awarded; and/or An opposing player has been sent off [where the simulation led to a straight red...
help.thefa.com help.thefa.com
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #391
shmmeee said:
Nope.

help.thefa.com

How does The FA decide whether to charge a player when they have successfully deceived a match official?

The FA can take retrospective action in situations where a match official has been deceived by a player and as a direct result: A penalty has been awarded; and/or An opposing player has been sent off [where the simulation led to a straight red...
help.thefa.com help.thefa.com
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Why does it not say that in the actual rules then?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #392
Liquid Gold said:
Why does it not say that in the actual rules then?
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #393
shmmeee said:
Nope.

How does The FA decide whether to charge a player when they have successfully deceived a match official?

The FA can take retrospective action in situations where a match official has been deceived by a player and as a direct result: A penalty has been awarded; and/or An opposing player has been sent off [where the simulation led to a straight red...
help.thefa.com
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Why bother having a rule book if they’re just going to add random things that aren’t part of the rules?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 9, 2021
  • #394
chiefdave said:
Why bother having a rule book if they’re just going to add random things that aren’t part of the rules?
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Just a guess and haven’t checked, but is the rule book the laws of the game on the pitch and this is a league/association regulation like FFP and stuff and not part of the on pitch game.
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #395
Kane just took a dive, I assume the FA will be banning him
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #396
jordan210 said:
Kane just took a dive, I assume the FA will be banning him
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Who knows. The rules say nothing about a penalty but the clarifications to the rules do so I think it just depends how pissed off Marco Silva is.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #397
Liquid Gold said:
Why does it not say that in the actual rules then?
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" A new offence of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’ will be in force from the start of the 2017-18 season, after the regulation change was approved by The FA Council today [18 May] and following a period of consultation with stakeholders over the past few months. "

No diving!

The FA has extended its powers to punish simulation retrospectively from 2016-17
www.thefa.com
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 12, 2021
  • #398
Happy_Martian said:
" A new offence of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’ will be in force from the start of the 2017-18 season, after the regulation change was approved by The FA Council today [18 May] and following a period of consultation with stakeholders over the past few months. "

No diving!

The FA has extended its powers to punish simulation retrospectively from 2016-17
www.thefa.com
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I know I've seen that already, I wan't to know why it's a press release from the FA but not the actual rule book.
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #399
Lets face it its not hard to dupe a referee because they are fucking useless and get conned the majority of times, I can accept this ban for Godden IF the governing bodies throughout the world do retrospective bans to everyone who dives or tries to con a ref regardless of where they are on the pitch. This cheating was rife in south american countries, remember Rivaldo having the ball kicked at him in a game when he was taking a corner, it hit him on the leg/thigh and he went down clutching his face...cheat cheat cheat, Neymar needs to be renamed Tom Daley for all his dives, Ronaldo does it they all do, if fifa started clamping down on big names and handing out 4 game bans and more it would be someway to stamping out the cheating on our beautiful game

Heres Rivaldo...poor love !!
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #400
Realistically if Godden got a 2 game ban for “decieving” the referee, that blackburn Centre half should get a 3 game ban for dangerous conduct
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #401
Gyok should get a credit in the bank against future bans after yesterday
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #402
skybluesam66 said:
Gyok should get a credit in the bank against future bans after yesterday
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Needs godden to teach him
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #403
We’re now 2-1 down on shit penalty decisions. The next one needs to go in our favour but somehow I doubt it will.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #404
eastwoodsdustman said:
We’re now 2-1 down on shit penalty decisions. The next one needs to go in our favour but somehow I doubt it will.
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If we’re being cynical O’Hare should have had one against Boro on the basis of Luton’s
 

Tommo1993

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #405
Every honest striker in the game will try and stay up to finish the chance, as Gyok tried to and would’ve been likely to put us 3-2 ahead. We were on row 4 and heard the contact. Joke.
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #406
Simple fact had that tackle been made on the edge of the box it would have been given as free-kick but we see time and again inside the penalty area they are not given, do they equal out over a season ? not sure
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #407
slowpoke said:
Simple fact had that tackle been made on the edge of the box it would have been given as free-kick but we see time and again inside the penalty area they are not given, do they equal out over a season ? not sure
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Last season we said it would equal out but it didnt 11 conceded 2 given to us
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #408
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Last season we said it would equal out but it didnt 11 conceded 2 given to us
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That’s not what it means
 
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rexo87

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #409
That was simply a shocking decision yesterday. It was not only a penalty but a red card as well for high foot studs up. If refs want players to stay on their feet they’ve got to have enough bottle to give them when players try and stay on their feet


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no_loyalty

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #410
It was said on Quest last night that it was a definite penalty.
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #411
They can’t really equal out can they some penalties don’t win games do they yesterday’s could well have done. The refereeing standard in the championship needs raising for example every week we have premier referees as the fourth official when they could be used in the championship.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #412
We got any images or footage?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #413
eastwoodsdustman said:
We’re now 2-1 down on shit penalty decisions. The next one needs to go in our favour but somehow I doubt it will.
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maybe but we also were saved from going behind in a game with a bad offside decision
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #414
Does anyone ever have the feeling that it can get percieved that somehow even most likely unconsciously across a season it can seem like there is a tendancy to keep usurper's and interlopers to the expected order?
 
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Calista

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #415
wingy said:
Does anyone ever have the feeling that it can get percieved that somehow even most likely unconsciously across a season it can seem like there is a tendancy to keep usurper's and interlopers to the expected order?
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Had to read that one a few times Wingy
I think my answer is No.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #416
Calista said:
Had to read that one a few times Wingy
I think my answer is No.
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Yeah it's a bit verbose .
But needed to dribble on to get it across to myself Lol.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #417
Time to watch this space....

Swansea vs Cardiff on Sky TV now. Swansea leading 2-0 and Laird (their winger) has just gone down in the box. Ref gives a corner. Replay shows no contact and another Swansea player has been booked for appealing. Will the FA do anything to Swansea or Laird ?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 17, 2021
  • #418
Happy_Martian said:
Time to watch this space....

Swansea vs Cardiff on Sky TV now. Swansea leading 2-0 and Laird (their winger) has just gone down in the box. Ref gives a corner. Replay shows no contact and another Swansea player has been booked for appealing. Will the FA do anything to Swansea or Laird ?
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Unlikely it’s Sunday
 
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Frostie

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #419
Happy_Martian said:
Time to watch this space....

Swansea vs Cardiff on Sky TV now. Swansea leading 2-0 and Laird (their winger) has just gone down in the box. Ref gives a corner. Replay shows no contact and another Swansea player has been booked for appealing. Will the FA do anything to Swansea or Laird ?
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No because that's not the rule.
Has to be successful deception
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Oct 18, 2021
  • #420
Frostie said:
No because that's not the rule.
Has to be successful deception
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And unfortunately, that is where the rule fails. Football will never be rid of cheating unless stronger action is taken. The ref in this instance gave a corner. If he felt the Swansea player was attempting to win a penalty by deceit, instead of a corner, he should have booked the player for simulation and awarded a freekick to Cardiff. If he genuinely missed it, it should be up to the fourth official or the assessor in the stand to report the incident to the FA for retroactive disciplinary action.

Otherwise, what's to prevent other players from continuing to attempt the same thing knowing there will be no comebacks ?
 
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