The Penalty (12 Viewers)

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Trial by SKY!! if that wasn't a live game nothing would have come from it, so I would hope CCFC go through every decision from now on and complain if any go against us. The ref was looking straight at it from behind on the replay, and didn't think it was a dive so what action will be taken against him and the lino for getting it "wrong"

Usually they get demoted for a game when getting a decision badly wrong. Can’t expect them to get banned as there’s not enough referees

 

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[Liquid Gold]

They really need to be paid better, protected more but also punished more harshly for huge errors.

 

[Nick]

What do they get paid?

They pretty much are protected, what else do they need protecting against? Half time the stewards escort them off. Never have to explain their decisions.

 

[Evo1883]

What do they get paid?

They pretty much are protected, what else do they need protecting against? Half time the stewards escort them off. Never have to explain their decisions.

£38-42000 a year retainer bonus plus £600 a match

Top flight refs get around £1100 per match

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

What do they get paid?

They pretty much are protected, what else do they need protecting against? Half time the stewards escort them off. Never have to explain their decisions.

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At the top end, Premier League referees are salaried so they get paid a regular wage with match fees on top of that. Referees in the top-flight of England can earn as much as £70,000 per year. They are paid a basic yearly retainer of between £38,500 and £42,000 based on experience, and then are paid £1,150 per match on top of that.

Championship referees receive the same basic yearly retainer but are only paid £600 per game.

So between £38,000 and £42,000 retainer and £600 per game

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

38-42000 a year retainer bonus plud £600 a match

Too quick for me

 

[Evo1883]

It's a decent wage , I actually expected them to be on a bit more if I'm honest

 

[Nick]

Hardly a pittance, is it?

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

One thing is for certain…

We’ll be like fuckin hawk’s watching for anything remotely looking the same that goes unpunished!

And like others have said we really don’t get given pens either.

Very low numbers since our march up the leagues.


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[Fergusons_Beard]

20/21-3 pens Champ
19/20-5 pens Div 1
18/19-6 pens Div 1


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[chiefdave]

Hardly a pittance, is it?

A lot higher than I was expecting it to be in all honesty. Looking at the PGMOL site its stretching the definition of full time to its limit. Apart from the actual games they have two days training every fortnight, at Warwick University of all places.

 

[Nick]

A lot higher than I was expecting it to be in all honesty. Looking at the PGMOL site its stretching the definition of full time to its limit. Apart from the actual games they have two days training every fortnight, at Warwick University of all places.

I thought most of them had full time jobs anyway?

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

I thought most of them had full time jobs anyway?

Yeah traffic warden's.

 

[robbiethemole]

there's one deluded twat on the Fulham board who thinks God should have been sent off!!! FFS and the game would have had a different outcome as they would have rallied and played better!! hahahahha I reckon he's Mystic Meg's offspring

 

[Nick]

I assume they are re-watching Mitrovic go running up to the ref and making him shit himself?

 

[richnrg]

Two teams spend 90 minutes trying to con the ref into giving an incorrect decision (by appealing for throws that obviously came off them last, by diving for penalties when there is no contact, etc). Then, when the ref eventually falls for one of these cons ( as the player does it so well that in real time it looks convincing ) we are asking for the ref to be punished? Crazy!

 

[LevelBest]

It's a massive bugbear of mine when you see an assistant look at the ref for instruction of which way to flag when the ball has gone out right next to him. You have a better view, get your flag up and do your job.

Assistant's are told not to give some decisions because it could undermine the referee so they look to the referee who will indicate which way to flag

 

[Nick]

Two teams spend 90 minutes trying to con the ref into giving an incorrect decision (by appealing for throws that obviously came off them last, by diving for penalties when there is no contact, etc). Then, when the ref eventually falls for one of these cons ( as the player does it so well that in real time it looks convincing ) we are asking for the ref to be punished? Crazy!

More the Linesman to be fair.

 

[shmmeee]

Assistant's are told not to give some decisions because it could undermine the referee so they look to the referee who will indicate which way to flag

Which basically makes linos the most pointless thing on a football pitch since that little remote controlled car in the Euros.

 

[It’sabatch87]

I remember going to Anfield in 1986 league cup and Molby scored three penalties I remember Rush diving for a least two of them.
It’s been going on for years!!!

 

[Happy_Martian]

Last couple of posts I read have pretty much summed this situation up. Trial by Sky ? Could well be. We've had pens given for less and have seen worse charades against us. But because of the media spectacle and the numerous camera angles, the FA couldn't be seen to have ignored an intentional effort to cheat.

Blackpool away this season. Was Viks goal handball or a bounce off his head. Sky took several occasions to make up their mind. Ref has one. But from the only angle viewed, it was inconclusive. Any action against Vik ? Nope.

It will happen again, for and against us but when there is only 1 camera on a gloomy January evening away at Preston (or wherever) and we're lucky to be on standard definition on Sky's red button, nothing will happen as it's not as in-your-face. Fulham losing was back page of the papers so we were always going to be charged.

 

[Happy_Martian]

Related to the Trial by TV comments, this may be of interest. On the FA website, under their DISCIPLINE section, they do list penalties against footballers, staff and clubs.

This one from the first day of the season may bring back some memories. Note it says a breach of Rule E1.1. Goddens is a breach of rule E3 which Google interprets as Foul and Abusive language towards an official. Can't find anything on the Internet about E3 but Simulation falls under the FA Law 12. Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct



10 August 2021

INCIDENT ON THE FIELD OF PLAY WHICH FALLS WITHIN LAW 12, WHICH WAS NOT SEEN BY MATCH OFFICIALS, BUT WAS CAUGHT ON VIDEO (FAST TRACK 1)
Gaetan Bong, Player, Nottingham Forest FC

Coventry City FC v Nottingham Forest FC
English Football League Championship
8 August 2021

Breach of FA Rule E1.1 - It is alleged that the Participant’s behaviour in or around the 45th minute during the above fixture constitutes violent conduct.

Charge admitted – Automatic Penalty accepted (3 match suspension).

https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/sep/02/fa-charges---august-2021-020921

 

[Frostie]

Related to the Trial by TV comments, this may be of interest. On the FA website, under their DISCIPLINE section, they do list penalties against footballers, staff and clubs.

This one from the first day of the season may bring back some memories. Note it says a breach of Rule E1.1. Goddens is a breach of rule E3 which Google interprets as Foul and Abusive language towards an official. Can't find anything on the Internet about E3 but Simulation falls under the FA Law 12. Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct



10 August 2021

INCIDENT ON THE FIELD OF PLAY WHICH FALLS WITHIN LAW 12, WHICH WAS NOT SEEN BY MATCH OFFICIALS, BUT WAS CAUGHT ON VIDEO (FAST TRACK 1)
Gaetan Bong, Player, Nottingham Forest FC

Coventry City FC v Nottingham Forest FC
English Football League Championship
8 August 2021

Breach of FA Rule E1.1 - It is alleged that the Participant’s behaviour in or around the 45th minute during the above fixture constitutes violent conduct.

Charge admitted – Automatic Penalty accepted (3 match suspension).

https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/sep/02/fa-charges---august-2021-020921

E3 is a very large 'catch all' charge of "improper conduct", covers all manner of things from foul & abusive language as you said to stuff off the field as well such as social media posts etc.

I'm not sure on the exact rulings on "successful deception of a match official" which is the charge but other E3 breaches carry a larger penalty if denied & subsequently "proved". I think you could put a reasonable defence together as I suggested early in the thread but, if that's the case, given we got the 3pts & have Waghorn & Walker ready to come in I'd be inclined to just accept it.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Assistant's are told not to give some decisions because it could undermine the referee so they look to the referee who will indicate which way to flag

So what's the point of them if they're just there to validate the ref's decision.

If they've seen something they should be there to tell the ref's they've got it wrong. That's helping the ref get to the right decision, not undermining them.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So what's the point of them if they're just there to validate the ref's decision.

If they've seen something they should be there to tell the ref's they've got it wrong. That's helping the ref get to the right decision, not undermining them.

A lot done at efl level is through microphone and buzzers so it looks like they don’t but they do

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

Last couple of posts I read have pretty much summed this situation up. Trial by Sky ? Could well be. We've had pens given for less and have seen worse charades against us. But because of the media spectacle and the numerous camera angles, the FA couldn't be seen to have ignored an intentional effort to cheat.

Blackpool away this season. Was Viks goal handball or a bounce off his head. Sky took several occasions to make up their mind. Ref has one. But from the only angle viewed, it was inconclusive. Any action against Vik ? Nope.

It will happen again, for and against us but when there is only 1 camera on a gloomy January evening away at Preston (or wherever) and we're lucky to be on standard definition on Sky's red button, nothing will happen as it's not as in-your-face. Fulham losing was back page of the papers so we were always going to be charged.

Gyo goal at Blackpool was very conclusively proven NOT to have hit his hand.

By Sky actually.


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[SBT]

Hardly a pittance, is it?

They have a huge impact on a game worth billions - you'd quickly notice if you tried to replace them with lower paid/amateur refs. I'd be happy to see them paid more if it results in a higher standard of refereeing.

 

[jim20]

SISU need the lawyers on this one, take the FA to judicial review!!!

 

[SkyblueDad]

Thought you refereed before? That’s what you told me anyway

Another smart arse answer in my day it was foul it attempt to foul, Has it changed ? Perhaps it has I’m sure you’ll know

 

[SkyblueDad]

SISU need the lawyers on this one, take the FA to judicial review!!!

Well there could be options if it’s found against Godden. FA are the ruling body in our football when it comes to disciplinary but not necessarily the final stage. Cases can be appealed to UEFA if I was defending this case I’d make it quiet clear that could be the road we go down. Because the on going kick back from this could be huge.

 

[shmmeee]

Well there could be options if it’s found against Godden. FA are the ruling body in our football when it comes to disciplinary but not necessarily the final stage. Cases can be appealed to UEFA if I was defending this case I’d make it quiet clear that could be the road we go down. Because the on going kick back from this could be huge.

Or we could just play our first choice striker against Blackburn.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Well there could be options if it’s found against Godden. FA are the ruling body in our football when it comes to disciplinary but not necessarily the final stage. Cases can be appealed to UEFA if I was defending this case I’d make it quiet clear that could be the road we go down. Because the on going kick back from this could be huge.

On what grounds would you lodge an appeal?

 

[usskyblue]

Or we could just play our first choice striker against Blackburn.

Thought he signed for Dundee Utd ?

 

[SkyblueDad]

On what grounds would you lodge an appeal?

Are you saying we shouldn’t then if the case goes against Godden ?

 

[SkyblueDad]

Or we could just play our first choice striker against Blackburn.

Shut up you’re showing yourself up again.