lordsummerisle
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Let me know and I'll see what I can do, always good to have something to aim for for getting fit, even if only a temporary measure!
The Trust (2 Viewers)
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Let me know and I'll see what I can do, always good to have something to aim for for getting fit, even if only a temporary measure!
deanocity3
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I've hated these Tim Fisher forums
The only way is to put him in an electric chair then ask him the questions,and turn up the voltage until we get the answer we all want.
The only way is to put him in an electric chair then ask him the questions,and turn up the voltage until we get the answer we all want.
blueflint
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psgm1 are you for real what a load of claptrap are you fisher as he spouts that as well.
it takes more than a couple of years for a trust to begin to make inroads into the problems
of a football club.ours more complicated than most' give them time and support you may
be surprised by the result
it takes more than a couple of years for a trust to begin to make inroads into the problems
of a football club.ours more complicated than most' give them time and support you may
be surprised by the result
lordsummerisle
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Exactly how many people are Tim Fisher on here?
Think I've seen three just today on here(including me)?
Nonleagueherewecome
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letsallsingtogether
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So as a fan Steve is not allowed to voice his concerns about his club so being a member of the trust you have to keep quiet you one sorry supporter so 2000 fans can not have their say because you say so.
FINALLY PLEASE GIVE US THE EVIDENCE WE KEEP ASKING FOR or are you just like Fisher,????
Come on we are waiting I left the trust because of you and all I get coming from you is accusations and no substance.
FINALLY PLEASE GIVE US THE EVIDENCE WE KEEP ASKING FOR or are you just like Fisher,????
Come on we are waiting I left the trust because of you and all I get coming from you is accusations and no substance.
letsallsingtogether
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I Knew it :facepalm:
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Hi where have you been missed you:claping hands::wave:
RegTheDonk
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Covcraig@bury
Well-Known Member
No feck all !!!
simple_simon
New Member
Did you actually go to a forum? No
What other group actually stands up for supporters
I recently joined the Trust and only did so to piss you off.
Only came on now to tell you what an idiot you are.
MichaelCCFC
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Nick, it's a sad reflection on where things are at with ccfc that what appears an entirely reasonable suggestion is in reality pie in the sky. TF has had opportunity upon opportunity to answer questions from the media, fans etc if he wished to. The Trust has consistently called for all stakeholders to work together for the best interests of ccfc - I don't know whether there was ever a real chance of that happening but it certainly doesn't appear to be possible now unless there is some kind of major change
I'm Tim Fisher and so's my wife.
(Just thought I'd get that one in first.)
No,I am tim fisher
letsallsingtogether
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Too true I may rejoin as well just to piss them all off but if he thinks I'm going away when he talks utter shit he can kiss my arse.
I Will say what I want and what I think whether I'm a member of the trust or not he thinks he is the only one who has the right to stand up for what he believes even if he is Deluded.:blue::blue::blue::blue:
I Will say what I want and what I think whether I'm a member of the trust or not he thinks he is the only one who has the right to stand up for what he believes even if he is Deluded.:blue::blue::blue::blue:
letsallsingtogether
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:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands: careful Steve he's from Tile Hill
lordsummerisle
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You left the trust because of some bollocks on an anonymous messageboard?
Fuck me.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
I am a big admirer of the Trust and for all the hard work that they put in.
I myself do not have the time due to work and family to put that sort of time in.
I felt that if it affected the Trust then I should leave which I did.
Will still go on any demonstrations or any other actions that are taken but solely as a CCFC Supporter
I myself do not have the time due to work and family to put that sort of time in.
I felt that if it affected the Trust then I should leave which I did.
Will still go on any demonstrations or any other actions that are taken but solely as a CCFC Supporter
Skybluemilf
Member
CJ and the Trust out NOW!!!
SkyBlueSwiss
New Member
Irrelevant whether he put it in an arrogant manner or not. What you totally miss in your response is that it was the truth. In three different forums Fisher failed to answer any single important question.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Keep up the good Work CJ
CJ and the Trust out NOW!!!
CJ_covblaze
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Thanks LAST. Much appreciated. We're doing our best PUSB
But Godiva that is not what I wrote is it?
lordsummerisle
Well-Known Member
"No. I tell the truth. There would be no point, I am afraid. I look forward to the various Court cases that seem to be in train and for the truth to come out because it does eventually."
Well, he's right with the last bit.
D
Deleted member 5849
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Not suggesting he would anyway, but the OP is right that a different format to those open forums is needed to even give him a chance of doing so.
"I am a big admirer of the Trust and for all the hard work that they put in.
I myself do not have the time due to work and family to put that sort of time in.
I felt that if it affected the Trust then I should leave which I did.
Will still go on any demonstrations or any other actions that are taken but solely as a CCFC Supporter"
Oh this is comedy Gold Letsall - I cannot be a member because I cannot spare the time - OH this is HILARIOUS! Why do you have to stop being a member, when you state that you will attend ALL and any demonstrations? Surely by DEFINITION this means you CAN attend, and therefore pretty much undermines your OWN argument!
Basically they refused to do what you wanted to do, and you threw a strop and left - THAT is the reality. Or perhaps you were asked to leave! But even with YOUR words, there simply is NO reason why you cannot be a member is there!
Either you are so contrary you were asked to leave (which raises questions about you personally), or the trust was so intransigent it wouldn't listen to views of its members (and similarly raises questions about the trust!)
You REALLY trying to say you had to leave because of work commitments - is THAT what you are saying? If so then YOUR OWN ARGUMENT is fundamentally flawed - and here is why.
To Join costs £1. You are not FORCED to go to meetings. Indeed because they hold meetings in the squirrel it is IMPOSSIBLE for all it's members to go (this in itself raises questions to it's validity, as just by the physical limitations it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a fully democratic vote, as it is IMPOSSIBLE for ALL trust members to turn up and vote!)
There are claimed over 2,000 members in the trust now. So is Lets saying that because these cannot / do not show up to the meetings they should leave to - is THAT the message Lets is putting across here? That if you do not turn up to EVERY event the trust sets up you MUST leave? Certainly his OWN actions suggests this is the correct thing to do!
And is he REALLY saying that one man not turning up to meetings will affect a group claiming to have 2,000 members? Was he THAT pivotal to the trusts operations? If so is this why the trust is falling apart and is crippled by indecision and unable to have a coherent plan of action? Is it Let's fault the trust is falling apart?
Either it shows an immense arrogance (the trust cannot live without my very presence) or Lets seriously over values the contribution he/she has provided. I mean they haven't come on here and begged you to rejoin have they - I wonder why?
Also by that logic if you cannot get to a match would you stop being a CCFC supporter? You have already set a precedent. You WALK AWAY when the going gets difficult - is that how Lets deals with problems - walking away?
I mean Lets goes to great efforts to shout ME down, seemingly can find time to attack criticism, but CANNOT find time to support a cause they CLAIM to be fully behind!
Clearly there is way way more to Lets "deciding to leave" than has been stated on here. The likelihood is that there was an asking to leave going on here. I mean surely any supposedly voluntary group would be happy for anyone doing what they can when they can.
But not according to LETS! Apparently if this trust member couldn't turn up to EVERY event they would implode! Boy the trust revolves around this persons every actions when they were a member!
Boy how much infighting, backstabbing and indecision is there in the trust? No wonder they are STILL going ahead with a protest outside an empty office building tomorrow.
Still at least they can say they are doing something.
By the same token they can go on forums, and attack ANYONE who has criticism of them. AGAIN they can argue "at least they are doing something".
One problem with that - just doing "something" is not good enough. If it were in anyway possible yet alone likely that giving a bunch of inane loaded questions would do any good I would support it no questions!
Sadly, TF could and will argue he has already answered these questions (even IF you accept he would reqd them - which personally I suspect they will just end up in the general file), so all you are doing is wasting money going down to london to deliver a sheet of paper to a security guard.
But HEY at least they are doing something.
On the SAME level of usefulness I am going to the local well and going to throw a coin in and wish for sisu to just disappear. At least it is DOING something! (may even have more chance of success!)
How desperate these people are starting to become - priceless
I myself do not have the time due to work and family to put that sort of time in.
I felt that if it affected the Trust then I should leave which I did.
Will still go on any demonstrations or any other actions that are taken but solely as a CCFC Supporter"
Oh this is comedy Gold Letsall - I cannot be a member because I cannot spare the time - OH this is HILARIOUS! Why do you have to stop being a member, when you state that you will attend ALL and any demonstrations? Surely by DEFINITION this means you CAN attend, and therefore pretty much undermines your OWN argument!
Basically they refused to do what you wanted to do, and you threw a strop and left - THAT is the reality. Or perhaps you were asked to leave! But even with YOUR words, there simply is NO reason why you cannot be a member is there!
Either you are so contrary you were asked to leave (which raises questions about you personally), or the trust was so intransigent it wouldn't listen to views of its members (and similarly raises questions about the trust!)
You REALLY trying to say you had to leave because of work commitments - is THAT what you are saying? If so then YOUR OWN ARGUMENT is fundamentally flawed - and here is why.
To Join costs £1. You are not FORCED to go to meetings. Indeed because they hold meetings in the squirrel it is IMPOSSIBLE for all it's members to go (this in itself raises questions to it's validity, as just by the physical limitations it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a fully democratic vote, as it is IMPOSSIBLE for ALL trust members to turn up and vote!)
There are claimed over 2,000 members in the trust now. So is Lets saying that because these cannot / do not show up to the meetings they should leave to - is THAT the message Lets is putting across here? That if you do not turn up to EVERY event the trust sets up you MUST leave? Certainly his OWN actions suggests this is the correct thing to do!
And is he REALLY saying that one man not turning up to meetings will affect a group claiming to have 2,000 members? Was he THAT pivotal to the trusts operations? If so is this why the trust is falling apart and is crippled by indecision and unable to have a coherent plan of action? Is it Let's fault the trust is falling apart?
Either it shows an immense arrogance (the trust cannot live without my very presence) or Lets seriously over values the contribution he/she has provided. I mean they haven't come on here and begged you to rejoin have they - I wonder why?
Also by that logic if you cannot get to a match would you stop being a CCFC supporter? You have already set a precedent. You WALK AWAY when the going gets difficult - is that how Lets deals with problems - walking away?
I mean Lets goes to great efforts to shout ME down, seemingly can find time to attack criticism, but CANNOT find time to support a cause they CLAIM to be fully behind!
Clearly there is way way more to Lets "deciding to leave" than has been stated on here. The likelihood is that there was an asking to leave going on here. I mean surely any supposedly voluntary group would be happy for anyone doing what they can when they can.
But not according to LETS! Apparently if this trust member couldn't turn up to EVERY event they would implode! Boy the trust revolves around this persons every actions when they were a member!
Boy how much infighting, backstabbing and indecision is there in the trust? No wonder they are STILL going ahead with a protest outside an empty office building tomorrow.
Still at least they can say they are doing something.
By the same token they can go on forums, and attack ANYONE who has criticism of them. AGAIN they can argue "at least they are doing something".
One problem with that - just doing "something" is not good enough. If it were in anyway possible yet alone likely that giving a bunch of inane loaded questions would do any good I would support it no questions!
Sadly, TF could and will argue he has already answered these questions (even IF you accept he would reqd them - which personally I suspect they will just end up in the general file), so all you are doing is wasting money going down to london to deliver a sheet of paper to a security guard.
But HEY at least they are doing something.
On the SAME level of usefulness I am going to the local well and going to throw a coin in and wish for sisu to just disappear. At least it is DOING something! (may even have more chance of success!)
How desperate these people are starting to become - priceless
SkyBlueSwiss
New Member
I hear what you are saying North, but my view is that it doesn't seem to matter what opportunities are provided to him to answer questions properly, he always evades them, so why make the effort?
This is why I totally understand why ACL will not talk with the man; they talked and talked and talked and they got absolutely nowhere. They made offer after offer and got absolutely nowhere. The end result of all this talk was Fisher going out and telling a bunch of lies about what bastards ACL were. Honestly, would you ever talk to Fisher again? And would you believe a single word he said?
I think the knowledgeable people involved around this disaster who are saying this will go to court before it ends are correct, and that Fisher will then no longer be able to tell his lies or avoid answering questions. At the same time, I most sincerely hope that such court actions would result in those confidentiality agreements being set aside and we all finally find out the truth about our previous owners and boards.
Speaking only for myself, I would prefer to see totally new ownership and not have previous board members like Hoffman and Elliot who were around when bad things were happening to our club getting involved again.
MichaelCCFC
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NW - as I've already said in response to the OP it's a sad reflection on where things are at with ccfc that what appears an entirely reasonable suggestion is in reality pie in the sky. TF has had opportunity upon opportunity to answer questions from the media or fans whether in radio interviews, the forums, written questions from the Trust etc etc. Unless something dramatic changes another format isn't going to reveal anything we don't all already know and perhaps it's time to move on and recognise that Sisu's tactics make sense in terms of trying to drive up the eventual sale price and/or distressing acl and it's in the context of those aims that what TF and sisu say/don't say needs to be understood
D
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So you can say you have as much as anything.
If you try and try and get rebuffed, at least you can say you've tried. And you never know when someone might change their mind, and at least you stop yourself getting locked into a tit for tat. At the end of the day this shouldn't be about winning and losing and, well, maybe some of us will have to 'lose' in order for the football club to 'win'. If the noble thing is continued offers put to the club/Fisher even if others don't trust him, that's got to be a good thing hasn't it, for he sake of the club?
I agree with all of this. If (when) it goes to court there will be no winners, as even those innocent will get caught up in paying costs they shouldn't have to, but it's the only way I can see to stop rumours and innuendo for years to come, clear the mess aside and give us some chance of a positive future unburdened by the past popping up every so often.
Othewise, the recriminations will just go on and on, as they have done.
D
Deleted member 5849
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But this is just it, the formats aren't suited. This isn't me saying I expect him to answer questions in other formats but, once the format of these forums became clear, it became even more obvious they were going to be utterly useless.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I do think it's important not to be embedded in assumptions however. If, say, you are right (entirely possible, I'd add my own thought that this is a path towards liquidation rather than anything else) then contrary as this sounds, the expected reaction we're getting and giving now will have been thought about, it will have been anticipated.
And if something's anticipated, the best way to outmaneuvre it is to try something unexpected. Personally I would move it on beyond the financial detail, which he's always likely to not answer anyway, and question the process itself, interrogate why these forums are arranged, why he decides to release certain information, whether the club's owners intend to pursue any further court actions etc. I'm not the financial expert here, as with most of us we have to take on trust various people with the financial questioning, but I do understand certain mechanisations at play (from all sides) and I can guess at a few answers to this process.
Again, there are some obvious answers he could give, and some answers would be entirely justifiable even if I didn't agree with or believe the answers, but I'd be wanting to move it on somewhat. I don't think an anybody but SISU message helps us move it on though.
J
Jack Griffin
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Ignore the attention seeking troll & he will go away.
TurkeyTrot
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It also encourages fans to put their frustrations down on paper, well electronic paper anyway