lordsummerisle
Well-Known Member
Let me know and I'll see what I can do, always good to have something to aim for for getting fit, even if only a temporary measure!
It's in August this year, got to check the date. I know you're not a Leicester supporter and I'm sure you're not a SISU rent boy.
psgm1 are you for real what a load of claptrap are you fisher as he spouts that as well.
it takes more than a couple of years for a trust to begin to make inroads into the problems
of a football club.ours more complicated than most' give them time and support you may
be surprised by the result
Exactly how many people are Tim Fisher on here?
Think I've seen three just today on here(including me)?
"No trust no voice"?
REALLY?????
You HONESTLY saying sisu haven't heard the fans voice?
This is WHY it seems more and more people are finally understanding what I have been saying about the trust for WEEKS!
The ARROGANCE that they effectively say they are the ONLY voice. But what happens when ANOTHER voice arrives? Do the trust try and take criticism on the chin? Do they heck as like. They release their online trolls and try and silence alternate voices.
The SAME Steve.B50 - a BOARD member of the trust no less, a Trust that "CLAIMS" to be open honest and transparent has TIME AND TIME AGAIN refused to debate online - it is ALWAYS "let's speak in private" or I refuse to meet. Thing is I have clearly stated my case and my rationale. Yet have the Trust EVER done the same? NOT ONCE!
All you get is a troll who agsain "CLAIMS" to have left - doing so AFTER I raise the prospect of formal complaints about breaking their OWN code! If they wer breaking MY code, then it would mean nothing, as that would be a standard I impose on them. No they have broken rules THEY have signed a document saying THEY will abide by - THAT includes sTEVE.b50.
If this guy were GENUINE about wanting talks, then WHY did he on this very forum say I was mentally unstable and I should have my account deleted/blocked? How is this ANY different to shouting down someone at the fan's forum? Si in ACTUAL fact Steve HAS shouted down opinions he does not agree with!
Also as a board member, you would expect them to treat people at least with common courtesy. After all, woulkd this person have gone on line or said to the face of Mr Fisher was mentally unstable and should not be allowed to have a voice? When you treat someone who there is EVIDENCE is doing harm to the club, yet not only allow but CONDONE attacks against a fan - a FAN incidentally who they are claiming they are the voice of btw! Then they have lost ANY right to claim they represent the fans! At BEST all they can claim is they are the voice of their membership. And when you consider their OWN membership has voted 99% NEVER to deal with sisu again, then by meeting with Fisher as trust members - NOT individuals, by stating they will broker talks, then they are not even representing their OWN membership.
So Steve.B50 - SPARE ME the diatribe. You are as BAD if not WORSE than the people you criticise for shouting down TF! They at least do not PRETEND to be dispassionate!
And as for the only voice is the trust - you seem to forget you represent just over 2,000 - when the average gate was stated around 10K last season! It is also interesting that the only other person defending their corner, is one of the most outrageous trolls on here!
The trust are NOT the only voice, DESPITE their propaganda campaign they are running to make everyone think so.
Finally if they were the only voice, it is a very softly spoken one, as what evidence AT ALL is there that this voice has been effective? Remember one of their campaigns was to get the tannoy volume reduced to make it clearer. Even this, TBF a worthy thing has failed - and that wouldn't have cost sisu one penny!
So even IF you accepted the trust WAS the only voice, then we need ANOTHER VOICE - one that can be heard! Because let's face it the trust is nothing than a busted flush. And people ARE realising it!
Can you imagine such a post happening BEFORE I started revealing their inactivity? well over a year in existence and STILL unable to have ANY influence - other than showing up on Sky Blue Interactive it seems once a month or so!
Perhaps rather than trying to get into the press and local media at any and every opportunity, perhaps they should concentrate on what they CLAIMED was their sole goal when they founded - being a LAST RESORT if all other buy out routes fail!
Or is Steve.B50 going to have tha audacity that was NEVER their goal?
SBT OUT - SISU OUT
Exactly how many people are Tim Fisher on here?
Think I've seen three just today on here(including me)?
"No trust no voice"?
REALLY?????
You HONESTLY saying sisu haven't heard the fans voice?
This is WHY it seems more and more people are finally understanding what I have been saying about the trust for WEEKS!
The ARROGANCE that they effectively say they are the ONLY voice. But what happens when ANOTHER voice arrives? Do the trust try and take criticism on the chin? Do they heck as like. They release their online trolls and try and silence alternate voices.
The SAME Steve.B50 - a BOARD member of the trust no less, a Trust that "CLAIMS" to be open honest and transparent has TIME AND TIME AGAIN refused to debate online - it is ALWAYS "let's speak in private" or I refuse to meet. Thing is I have clearly stated my case and my rationale. Yet have the Trust EVER done the same? NOT ONCE!
All you get is a troll who agsain "CLAIMS" to have left - doing so AFTER I raise the prospect of formal complaints about breaking their OWN code! If they wer breaking MY code, then it would mean nothing, as that would be a standard I impose on them. No they have broken rules THEY have signed a document saying THEY will abide by - THAT includes sTEVE.b50.
If this guy were GENUINE about wanting talks, then WHY did he on this very forum say I was mentally unstable and I should have my account deleted/blocked? How is this ANY different to shouting down someone at the fan's forum? Si in ACTUAL fact Steve HAS shouted down opinions he does not agree with!
Also as a board member, you would expect them to treat people at least with common courtesy. After all, woulkd this person have gone on line or said to the face of Mr Fisher was mentally unstable and should not be allowed to have a voice? When you treat someone who there is EVIDENCE is doing harm to the club, yet not only allow but CONDONE attacks against a fan - a FAN incidentally who they are claiming they are the voice of btw! Then they have lost ANY right to claim they represent the fans! At BEST all they can claim is they are the voice of their membership. And when you consider their OWN membership has voted 99% NEVER to deal with sisu again, then by meeting with Fisher as trust members - NOT individuals, by stating they will broker talks, then they are not even representing their OWN membership.
So Steve.B50 - SPARE ME the diatribe. You are as BAD if not WORSE than the people you criticise for shouting down TF! They at least do not PRETEND to be dispassionate!
And as for the only voice is the trust - you seem to forget you represent just over 2,000 - when the average gate was stated around 10K last season! It is also interesting that the only other person defending their corner, is one of the most outrageous trolls on here!
The trust are NOT the only voice, DESPITE their propaganda campaign they are running to make everyone think so.
Finally if they were the only voice, it is a very softly spoken one, as what evidence AT ALL is there that this voice has been effective? Remember one of their campaigns was to get the tannoy volume reduced to make it clearer. Even this, TBF a worthy thing has failed - and that wouldn't have cost sisu one penny!
So even IF you accepted the trust WAS the only voice, then we need ANOTHER VOICE - one that can be heard! Because let's face it the trust is nothing than a busted flush. And people ARE realising it!
Can you imagine such a post happening BEFORE I started revealing their inactivity? well over a year in existence and STILL unable to have ANY influence - other than showing up on Sky Blue Interactive it seems once a month or so!
Perhaps rather than trying to get into the press and local media at any and every opportunity, perhaps they should concentrate on what they CLAIMED was their sole goal when they founded - being a LAST RESORT if all other buy out routes fail!
Or is Steve.B50 going to have tha audacity that was NEVER their goal?
SBT OUT - SISU OUT
... WHY did he on this very forum say I was mentally unstable and I should have my account deleted/blocked? ...
No trust no voice
"No trust no voice"?
REALLY?????
You HONESTLY saying sisu haven't heard the fans voice?
This is WHY it seems more and more people are finally understanding what I have been saying about the trust for WEEKS!
The ARROGANCE that they effectively say they are the ONLY voice. But what happens when ANOTHER voice arrives? Do the trust try and take criticism on the chin? Do they heck as like. They release their online trolls and try and silence alternate voices.
The SAME Steve.B50 - a BOARD member of the trust no less, a Trust that "CLAIMS" to be open honest and transparent has TIME AND TIME AGAIN refused to debate online - it is ALWAYS "let's speak in private" or I refuse to meet. Thing is I have clearly stated my case and my rationale. Yet have the Trust EVER done the same? NOT ONCE!
All you get is a troll who agsain "CLAIMS" to have left - doing so AFTER I raise the prospect of formal complaints about breaking their OWN code! If they wer breaking MY code, then it would mean nothing, as that would be a standard I impose on them. No they have broken rules THEY have signed a document saying THEY will abide by - THAT includes sTEVE.b50.
If this guy were GENUINE about wanting talks, then WHY did he on this very forum say I was mentally unstable and I should have my account deleted/blocked? How is this ANY different to shouting down someone at the fan's forum? Si in ACTUAL fact Steve HAS shouted down opinions he does not agree with!
Also as a board member, you would expect them to treat people at least with common courtesy. After all, woulkd this person have gone on line or said to the face of Mr Fisher was mentally unstable and should not be allowed to have a voice? When you treat someone who there is EVIDENCE is doing harm to the club, yet not only allow but CONDONE attacks against a fan - a FAN incidentally who they are claiming they are the voice of btw! Then they have lost ANY right to claim they represent the fans! At BEST all they can claim is they are the voice of their membership. And when you consider their OWN membership has voted 99% NEVER to deal with sisu again, then by meeting with Fisher as trust members - NOT individuals, by stating they will broker talks, then they are not even representing their OWN membership.
So Steve.B50 - SPARE ME the diatribe. You are as BAD if not WORSE than the people you criticise for shouting down TF! They at least do not PRETEND to be dispassionate!
And as for the only voice is the trust - you seem to forget you represent just over 2,000 - when the average gate was stated around 10K last season! It is also interesting that the only other person defending their corner, is one of the most outrageous trolls on here!
The trust are NOT the only voice, DESPITE their propaganda campaign they are running to make everyone think so.
Finally if they were the only voice, it is a very softly spoken one, as what evidence AT ALL is there that this voice has been effective? Remember one of their campaigns was to get the tannoy volume reduced to make it clearer. Even this, TBF a worthy thing has failed - and that wouldn't have cost sisu one penny!
So even IF you accepted the trust WAS the only voice, then we need ANOTHER VOICE - one that can be heard! Because let's face it the trust is nothing than a busted flush. And people ARE realising it!
Can you imagine such a post happening BEFORE I started revealing their inactivity? well over a year in existence and STILL unable to have ANY influence - other than showing up on Sky Blue Interactive it seems once a month or so!
Perhaps rather than trying to get into the press and local media at any and every opportunity, perhaps they should concentrate on what they CLAIMED was their sole goal when they founded - being a LAST RESORT if all other buy out routes fail!
Or is Steve.B50 going to have tha audacity that was NEVER their goal?
SBT OUT - SISU OUT
Can you not setup a forum / meeting and record it / stream it online and have people like OSB and Squirrel who can really quiz Fisher etc without having irate fans there who just want to shout SISU OUT and get out Tim?
That way they can have a debate and be grilled about things without the interruptions?
I'm Tim Fisher and so's my wife.
(Just thought I'd get that one in first.)
Did you actually go to a forum? No
What other group actually stands up for supporters
I recently joined the Trust and only did so to piss you off.
Only came on now to tell you what an idiot you are.
No feck all !!!
Come on we are waiting I left the trust because of you and all I get coming from you is accusations and no substance.
You left the trust because of some bollocks on an anonymous messageboard?
Fuck me.
Don't you find that just a little bit arrogant?
Your answer is a replica of the answer I got from PWKH when I asked if he would participate in a debate with Fisher moderated by the Trust. He said 'No. It wouldn't matter'.
And it is a replica of what Fisher said when asked if he would participate in a debate with ACL. He said 'What's the point?'.
CJ and the Trust out NOW!!!
Don't you find that just a little bit arrogant?
Your answer is a replica of the answer I got from PWKH when I asked if he would participate in a debate with Fisher moderated by the Trust. He said 'No. It wouldn't matter'.
And it is a replica of what Fisher said when asked if he would participate in a debate with ACL. He said 'What's the point?'.
But Godiva that is not what I wrote is it?
PWKH - if you were invited to a face-to-face debate with Tim Fisher, organised and moderated by the Trust, would you accept?
No. I tell the truth. There would be no point, I am afraid. I look forward to the various Court cases that seem to be in train and for the truth to come out because it does eventually.
In three different forums Fisher failed to answer any single important question.
Not suggesting he would anyway, but the OP is right that a different format to those open forums is needed to even give him a chance of doing so.
Not suggesting he would anyway, but the OP is right that a different format to those open forums is needed to even give him a chance of doing so.
I hear what you are saying North, but my view is that it doesn't seem to matter what opportunities are provided to him to answer questions properly, he always evades them, so why make the effort?
I think the knowledgeable people involved around this disaster who are saying this will go to court before it ends are correct, and that Fisher will then no longer be able to tell his lies or avoid answering questions. At the same time, I most sincerely hope that such court actions would result in those confidentiality agreements being set aside and we all finally find out the truth about our previous owners and boards.
Speaking only for myself, I would prefer to see totally new ownership and not have previous board members like Hoffman and Elliot who were around when bad things were happening to our club getting involved again.
TF has had opportunity upon opportunity to answer questions from the media or fans whether in radio interviews, the forums, written questions from the Trust etc etc.
Unless something dramatic changes another format isn't going to reveal anything we don't all already know and perhaps it's time to move on and recognise that Sisu's tactics make sense in terms of trying to drive up the eventual sale price and/or distressing acl and it's in the context of those aims that what TF and sisu say/don't say needs to be understood
Psgm1, how long does it take you to type all that out?
The thing is, the trust's "come and protest at the forums and show sisu we want them out" kind of encourages the ranting at these things.
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