The Trust..? (5 Viewers)

[RoboCCFC90]

Not surprising and the capatilist in me would always support anyone who could get a deal at below market price. No one would offer full price for a house or a car would they?

Most peoples issue is how they are going about their business to acheive this, ie distress tactics in order to engineer an angle that perhaps wasnt there before. Its one thing knocking 10% of the value but I would guess they are not happy with such paltry reductions.

The way Sisu are going about things is nothing to be condoned, however it's all they know and unfrotunately what we are left with.

 

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[RoboCCFC90]

And SISU are doing a pretty good job of that too. I have said in previous posts a lot of what is going on is a football problem not just a Coventry problem.

Local businessmen used to run football clubs, now it is international business people. Unsurprisingly the lack of morals and the ability to exploit loopholes is the name of the game as it is in the global market.

It's all about profit not loyalty to your customer.

100% agreed, I'd rather get to the Premier League the Swansea way over the Cardiff/Hull manner, you build a good team at expenditure within your means, putting exciting yet successful Football on show and continuing to engage the community.

 

[magic82ball]

Absolutely and maybe it would work, but we don't know, the only problem I have with richh87's answers regarding a fan owned Club is that it would only be a temporary stop gap in essence until the Fan club owners could combine with CCFC, That's just purely not right is it?

I agree there, if a fan owned breakaway were to happen it has to be for keeps, all or nothing. The expense of setting everything up and then potentially incorperating everything would be a logistical and financial nightmare.

This is where to my mind the naysayers have a valid point. CCFC would have to have no potential for resurgence otherwise most breakaway supporter would abandon the pheonix and come to watch CCFC again. Then what with the phoenix?

What I do think some supporters underestimate is the real disdain and hatred people have for the owners of the club that the club they once loved has been ripped apart, to these supporters, the pro-sisu and Sixfield attendees are in a way complicit in the downfall of the club. And to these supporters, the time is right to set up a phoenix as they have come to the conclusion under SISU "for the long haul" - there will never be a ressurgence and so now is the time to act.

 

[magic82ball]

The way Sisu are going about things is nothing to be condoned, however it's all they know and unfrotunately what we are left with.

And there in lies the rub, some people aren't prepared to accept that this is it, nothing left to hope for other than the sweet release of liquidation that seems so near and so far at the same time. Some people feel so strongly they are prepared to do something about it. Some people will do whatever it takes to get some power back.

I say some people, not me of course as I am far to busy and important to invest any time but I am glad there are people out there who are doing something

 

[skybluetony176]

i would throw the question back at sisu

Why are you not trying to engage in a meaningful dialogue with ACL/CCC rather than dreaming up initiatives for taking the club away from its city

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

The Trust represents the fans. The fans' tax money built the Ricoh. We don't want it gifted to SISU.

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Well, no it didnt.

 

[@richh87]

Well, no it didnt.

Didn't it?


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[CJ_covblaze]

Great to see reasoned debate. Anything else anyone wants answering?

 

[Nick]

Great to see reasoned debate. Anything else anyone wants answering?

Yes, who would win in a fight out of the trust board?

 

[wingy]

Yes, who would win in a fight out of the trust board?

foregone conclusion ,surely .

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

Beyond NOPM how is it proposed that we kick SISU in the nuts? I give nothing at all to CCFC at present, what else should I do? It does seem that SISU are self financing and the lack of income from the club is not affecting them.

You really think 'self financing' exists? That is the equivalent of Capitalist perpetual motion.
Of course NOPM is hurting them, it's just a matter of time.. How long no one knows. But it seems more and more are seeing that they are holding our club to ransom and the threats and new stadium fairy tales don't help them either....

 

[Deleted member 5849]

foregone conclusion ,surely .

Despite only seeing their new chair from a distance... I doubt I'd like him when he's angry!

 

[wingy]

Yes, who would win in a fight out of the trust board?

A more relevant contest would be between the Chairmen of both Entities up against one another ,could sell a few tickets that one ,winner takes all!!:slap:

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Practical sugestion btw, the trust website still uses different fonts for press releases (professionalism, men!) and the Meet the Board page still has people in their old roles. Does this mean the email I had about reshuffles hasn't actually happened... or the web page hasn't been updated yet?

 

[The Gentleman]

might as well sell the soul of the club to the devil.

Yes and unfortunately that has happened to us !

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Yes and unfortunately that has happened to us !

Our club was sold to a ghost not the devil.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Great to see reasoned debate. Anything else anyone wants answering?

Yes I do, Are you going Swindon this weekend?

 

[Steve.B50]

So why don't fans just get behind the CCFC Supporters Team?

Nick, we already are very much behind the supporters team, we also sponsor there kit.

 

[Steve.B50]

I have taken the below quote from another thread which will probably in the near future erupt into another Sisu vs CCCouncil arguement however, Scottie's question is a good one:



So my question along with Scottie's to the Trust would be, Are you currently trying to repair relationships with the Club and Do you even intend to?

Is there anyone from the Trust on the forum who can answer this?

I can assure you that even after the recent letter it's our intention to continue dialogue with TIm Fisher, Mark Labovitch and with Joy Seppala if we are ever given the opportunity.
Some of us have met with TF and ML as part of the SCG group and I am confident they know our views and principles. At the same time we are also keen to carry on meeting with ACL, CCC and the FL as any sort of open negotiations might help our supporters see an end to our plight.

 

[Steve.B50]

Practical sugestion btw, the trust website still uses different fonts for press releases (professionalism, men!) and the Meet the Board page still has people in their old roles. Does this mean the email I had about reshuffles hasn't actually happened... or the web page hasn't been updated yet?

This will be discussed at our board meeting this evening.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I can assure you that even after the recent letter it's our intention to continue dialogue with TIm Fisher, Mark Labovitch and with Joy Seppala if we are ever given the opportunity.
Some of us have met with TF and ML as part of the SCG group and I am confident they know our views and principles. At the same time we are also keen to carry on meeting with ACL, CCC and the FL as any sort of open negotiations might help our supporters see an end to our plight.

Thanks Steve and well done

 

[Grendel]

Without being funny if the trust didn't exist would it make any difference?

 

[Steve.B50]

Without being funny if the trust didn't exist would it make any difference?

No idea Grendel, but while we do still exist we will try our best to be positive and do what ever we can to get us home.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Despite only seeing their new chair from a distance... I doubt I'd like him when he's angry!

Pussycat,His wife however:thinking about:

 

[shmmeee]

This thread is playing into Sisus hands. Now "both sides are to blame", just like the council, and the Higgs, and anyone else Sisu fucks up relations with.

Sorry, as the saying goes: meet one dickhead and you met a dickhead. Meet dickheads all day and you're the dickhead.

 

[Nick]

A more relevant contest would be between the Chairmen of both Entities up against one another ,could sell a few tickets that one ,winner takes all!!:slap:

Ann Lucas packs a one bomb

 

[stupot07]

This thread is playing into Sisus hands. Now "both sides are to blame", just like the council, and the Higgs, and anyone else Sisu fucks up relations with.

Sorry, as the saying goes: meet one dickhead and you met a dickhead. Meet dickheads all day and you're the dickhead.

Well 40% of the survey respondents seem to believe all sides are to blame.


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[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I'm not so sure Fernando, more could be done from both sides (won't argue that), both sides have made mistakes (won't argue that either), however what Members of The Trust ought to be thinking is "What is the Trust's aim right now?" The SCG has spoken to Joy once and constantly in contact with Fisher, do you think the Trust may have had the same opportunity had things not gone sour down the line irrespective of who's fault it was?

Actually the SCG did not meet Joy

 

[shmmeee]

Well 40% of the survey respondents seem to believe all sides are to blame.


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No. (And this is why I've stayed out of that thread).

Just under 40% feel that the council hold some of the blame.

It was a terrible survey in fairness, partly because of questions like that. You could easily read it as 95% don't think the council is to blame.

Besides this is all academic as I wasn't talking about stadium blame but in fact blame for everything where it seems Sisu are hard done by.

 

[bigfatronssba]

No. (And this is why I've stayed out of that thread).

Just under 40% feel that the council hold some of the blame.

It was a terrible survey in fairness, partly because of questions like that. You could easily read it as 95% don't think the council is to blame.

Besides this is all academic as I wasn't talking about stadium blame but in fact blame for everything where it seems Sisu are hard done by.

I remember in 2008 Mick McCarthy claiming them to be the most unprofessional people he's ever had to deal with.

They put the blame back on him. Seems they've been doing that since day one.

 

[Bill Glazier]

What Sisu are doing to our club is wrong. It may all be legal, but all I can say now is that it shouldn't be. NOPM.

 

[Grendel]

I remember in 2008 Mick McCarthy claiming them to be the most unprofessional people he's ever had to deal with.

They put the blame back on him. Seems they've been doing that since day one.

Was the McCarthy thing about Eastwood?

 

[bigfatronssba]

Was the McCarthy thing about Eastwood?

Think so.

 

[Grendel]

Think so.

I think you will find that was ray ranson that the comment was aimed at. He is not a sisu employee. It was to do with a loan arrangement. McCarthy had the last laugh as ranson still signed the useless twat with McCarthy desperate not to let him go on loan first. We wasted at least £4 million on Eastwood - blame ranson.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Yes, who would win in a fight out of the trust board?

Well Steve, me and Jan have the weight advantage...