So we should just accept it then?At the start of the unbeaten run there were, I think, only 3 teams below us and we were out of the relegation zone on goal difference.
Nine games later we are 18th in the table and 6 points above the relegation zone. All this in a league 2 levels higher that 3 years ago.
Tactically efficient is not what i would describe robins as which going forward at this level worries me,if we was to lose Hamer in jan we would be in serious trouble.
If the right money comes we all know he’s gone but I doubt it will just yetHe's not going anywhere
If the right money comes we all know he’s gone but I doubt it will just yet
'Full internationals, top flight experience, league leaders'. You're playing the game on paper that's why it's baffling to you.We got a point against the league leaders away from home. It’s a very good result regardless of their injuries. They still had players who have top flight experience and are also full internationals.
Plus at the time we were in a worse position than we are now. Again your opinion on this is baffling
You're probably right, I didn't phrase that well - terrible in the context of how they'd been playing earlier in the season and at full strength. They were no better than a bang average Champ team on the day - they lost 3-1 to Luton in the very next game before they got their star players back.I watched the game. I don't think Norwich were terrible at all. I think they were hanging on at the end but that was due to the way we played. Norwich kept the ball well and made us chase but apart from a mad five mins and a hotly disputed penalty, they didn't trouble us. We thoroughly deserved the point, arguably, the win. I would image the transfer value and wages of the team Norwich put out that day dwarfed ours. Despite their extensive injury list, Norwich are clear at the top of the league, so it doesn't seem that they have been a soft touch for anyone else either.
There is no guarantee that if we had of been more expansive we would have won. I think it is just as likely that Norwich might have picked us off. The one thing that is certain is that the point achieved is one more towards the 50 we need for survival.
Four years ago I seen us beaten 6-1 at Carrow Road in a game that Norwich could quite easily have hit double figures in. A few weeks ago we were more than a match for them. I think that shows the progress made.
So we should just accept it then?
I want to be CEO of the company I work for (Play in the Premier league) but im currently middle management and should be happy with stagnating as middle management as I started out 3 years ago on the shop floor.
Let's not strive as fans of a once huge, proud top flight club, because were not in the relegation zone (yet) of a league 2 leagues higher than 3 years ago.
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Presumably at the start of this season you thought we would be doing better than we are? A team with the second lowest budget in the division, where do you think we should be?So we should just accept it then?
I want to be CEO of the company I work for (Play in the Premier league) but im currently middle management and should be happy with stagnating as middle management as I started out 3 years ago on the shop floor.
Let's not strive as fans of a once huge, proud top flight club, because were not in the relegation zone (yet) of a league 2 leagues higher than 3 years ago.
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I think it's easy to dismiss the monetary value of the players we faced as a cliche if it doesn't suit your argument. Would Chelsea or Man City be at the top of their leagues if they didn't have millions and millions of pounds pumped in? Its the same for Norwich compared to us on a much smaller scale of course. They have better players than we do. They have a much larger squad than we do. We were also without our goalkeeper and our leading striker, a huge disadvantage for a team with a small squad.You're probably right, I didn't phrase that well - terrible in the context of how they'd been playing earlier in the season and at full strength. They were no better than a bang average Champ team on the day - they lost 3-1 to Luton in the very next game before they got their star players back.
I agree with a lot of what you said there though. They didn't trouble us, aside from the Wilson double save, because we were defensive and they were toothless, devoid of all their creative influences. And I agree they were hanging on in the end, because they couldn't cope when we went 2 up top. Any team at this level can keep the ball well when the other team is sitting off, that we started Bakayoko and Allen that day shows we were happy to chase.
All the other stuff about transfer values, wages, clear at the top of the league, it's football cliche.
Ultimately it comes down to: I think if we had a go a them for longer than 13 minutes their kids would have caved in with enough time for us to win the game, you think they'd have picked us off.
You think it's a point towards 50 for survival, I think it could have been 3 with a different approach 2nd half. Consequently, by the time we get to the end of February I fear we'll be looking back at this easier run of games wishing we could play some of them over again, because in March we'll be playing the bottom 3 with them right up our arse, instead of sitting 6 or 7 points clear of them and knowing a draw is fine. Not sure how our inexperienced young men will cope with that pressure.
It’s baffling because you are completely and utterly wrong'Full internationals, top flight experience, league leaders'. You're playing the game on paper that's why it's baffling to you.
When I said the same thing after the Huddersfield game all I got was we didn't loose we haven't lost since blah blah blah, we do have to try and win those type of games especially at home , and we made Wednesday look like they would be challenging for promotion.Now I know I’m likely to get dogs abuse for this from some and yes I’m ranting the morning after a defeat but let’s look at the unbeaten run objectively.
Of the 8 games unbeaten we drew 5 of them, 6 of those 8 games were against teams below us in the table and the other 2 were against those in the relegation mix with us.
Yea we were leaking goals before the run and MR had to sure up the leaky defence but we were so so negative in those 8 games. The Rotherham game was absolutely an anomaly, they were asleep for the first 15 and the game was done.
MR’s approach to the games later in the ‘run’ was far far too negative. We had to put far more pressure on Wednesday yesterday. McCallum and Dabo have been anonymous because of this negativity and the space between the midfield and anyone we play up front is frightening, we have created very very little in the last 2 games and we really should be taking the game to the team bottom of the league.
This isn’t moaning for the sake of it and I absolutely have faith in MR, I just wonder if in 6-8 weeks time we’ll look back on this run against the worst teams in the division and think that we should have picked up more, been more aggressive and not set up to draw games 0-0. Go to bournemouth and Watford and set up for that result by all means, not against the teams in the bottom 3.
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We’ve lacked ambition for weeksWhen I said the same thing after the Huddersfield game all I got was we didn't loose we haven't lost since blah blah blah, we do have to try and win those type of games especially at home , and we made Wednesday look like they would be challenging for promotion.
I think the ambition is to stay up. I don't think that's lacking ambition. I think that's being realistic.We’ve lacked ambition for weeks
What do you expect us to do then?We’ve lacked ambition for weeks
People saying we should have beat Norwich away, they’re top of the league and will probably be there or thereabouts come the end of the season.
Getting a point against them was a good result as not too many teams have managed that. Baffling
I agree, although if ever there was a time to play them, we got it.People saying we should have beat Norwich away, they’re top of the league and will probably be there or thereabouts come the end of the season.
Getting a point against them was a good result as not too many teams have managed that. Baffling
Is it not clear to you ? Tony pulis did it yesterday made the changes to win the game we don’t make changes until we are forced too tactically for me he’s not at the level yet I also feel he’s stubborn which might play a part in addressing it moving forward,we lacked ambition mid week and lost to a proper poor side yesterday he said it was a game too far but refused to change tired players tbh it’s poor to come out saying that when he refused to change itWhat do you expect us to do then?
You misunderstood my question. How would you approach games in the championship, knowing that a majority of our team are completely inexperienced at this level?Is it not clear to you ? Tony pulis did it yesterday made the changes to win the game we don’t make changes until we are forced too tactically for me he’s not at the level yet I also feel he’s stubborn which might play a part in addressing it moving forward,we lacked ambition mid week and lost to a proper poor side yesterday he said it was a game too far but refused to change tired players tbh it’s poor to come out saying that when he refused to change it
Wow we are going well!!!QPR
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Is it not clear to you ? Tony pulis did it yesterday made the changes to win the game we don’t make changes until we are forced too tactically for me he’s not at the level yet I also feel he’s stubborn which might play a part in addressing it moving forward,we lacked ambition mid week and lost to a proper poor side yesterday he said it was a game too far but refused to change tired players tbh it’s poor to come out saying that when he refused to change it
Is it not clear to you ? Tony pulis did it yesterday made the changes to win the game we don’t make changes until we are forced too tactically for me he’s not at the level yet I also feel he’s stubborn which might play a part in addressing it moving forward,we lacked ambition mid week and lost to a proper poor side yesterday he said it was a game too far but refused to change tired players tbh it’s poor to come out saying that when he refused to change it
Yes fair point it’s more the fact we could have more points had we Been a little more positive in games with changes made at better times etcHe got it wrong yesterday. But on the whole he/we are doing ok.
You said in multiple posts on the expectations thread that survival was the goal so you must be happy with where we are overall?
He got it wrong yesterday. But on the whole he/we are doing ok.
You said in multiple posts on the expectations thread that survival was the goal so you must be happy with where we are overall?
So we should just accept it then?
I want to be CEO of the company I work for (Play in the Premier league) but im currently middle management and should be happy with stagnating as middle management as I started out 3 years ago on the shop floor.
Let's not strive as fans of a once huge, proud top flight club, because were not in the relegation zone (yet) of a league 2 leagues higher than 3 years ago.
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