Esoterica
Well-Known Member
Was just about to say that, he might as well just phone down to him and tell him to give the pen.
Was just about to say that, he might as well just phone down to him and tell him to give the pen.Surely if the final VAR is to be decided by the onfield ref he decides to use it or not for a decision straight away than a man in a van 60 seconds later saying “fancy checking that one”, surely the fact the tv ref has told the onfield ref to check the decision the TV ref thinks it’s a pen!?
It's a contact sport, he never went for the player, the Italians didn't appeal. 'Clear and obvious mistake' is the wording, was that clear and obvious enough to change the decision? No way. If refs keep using it to make decisions then you're going to have players falling over on the slightest touch as they know slowed down 1000 times it looks like a foul.Needs to be limited to offsides, balls crossing the line etc - things that are undebatable. Anything that is down to 1 referees interpretation should be dropped at least until they get used to the technology and are getting those clearcut decisions right. That was never ever a penalty but technically he did stand on his foot so even though it was absolutely fucking ridiculous to change his mind over that, it'll get chalked up as a correct decision.
With VAR and goal like technology I reckon Hursts controversial goal in the 66 Final wouldn't have stood ?
And a Russian linesman wouldn't be so charitable now would he !
I know it's still a trial but I have no confidence in them even realising that was the wrong decision and adapting. It's just spoilt a whole game of football for me tonight, and I don't mean because England didn't win because I couldn't give a damn about that in a friendly. One more layer being added to my disillusionment with top level football.VAR is going to kill the game If it carries on the way it's going. It's a joke atm
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
They already DO go down at the slightest touch. That's why VAR has been bought in. If they continue to go down without any real contact they get booked or sent off or whatever. That should stop the cheats a bit at least.It's a contact sport, he never went for the player, the Italians didn't appeal. 'Clear and obvious mistake' is the wording, was that clear and obvious enough to change the decision? No way. If refs keep using it to make decisions then you're going to have players falling over on the slightest touch as they know slowed down 1000 times it looks like a foul.
Looking at it now again the ball was already gone before he stood on the ball. Fucking joke.
Couldn't agree more. Decisions like that are opinion. They're not fact like offside or goal line. With opinion, you're always going to have fuck ups. So is that any better than a referee getting a decision wrong? No, it's worse because the game gets disrupted for much longer.I know it's still a trial but I have no confidence in them even realising that was the wrong decision and adapting. It's just spoilt a whole game of football for me tonight, and I don't mean because England didn't win because I couldn't give a damn about that in a friendly. One more layer being added to my disillusionment with top level football.
No...somebody needs to communicate decisions to the players or it would be anarchy on the pitch.Would it have been a huge mistake not to award that penalty? No, of course not. VAR is supposed to sort out big mistakes and that wasn't one. If refs are going to use it instead of doing their job then we may as well do away with an on the pitch ref and just have a studio team making decision.
Ha, yeah, I thought our goal had been disallowed until Italy kicked off.The thing I don't like about VAR is you can't even crack on celebrating a goal until some dork with a 15 inch CRT has decided it's allowed.
Even with Englands goal today it wasn't 100% to the people watching on TV, there was too much focus on the ref and the potential for VAR to be used.
I hate it, even if the decision using it for that penalty was right.
Makes me laugh how an England player gets the slightest touch and the pundits are saying there was contact definite pen.I thought VAR was supposed to be clear and obvious. That was a load of shit.
Other sports use it ok because they use it to verify what are cut and dried decisions missed by the naked eye e.g.Other sports use technology okay and when it settles down it should be fine. Its in its infancy stage in football so there will be teething problems. But then again when will football be nice and simple !
Well put and after reading your explanation of it all it shows it isn't going to be as easy as I thought.Other sports use it ok because they use it to verify what are cut and dried decisions missed by the naked eye e.g.
Tennis: is a ball on the line or over it.
Cricket: is the ball going to hit the stumps
Rugby will review a try but what constitutes foul play is more clearly defined and what they review is more clearcut - did his foot touch the line, did he ground the ball in control of it etc
Even the terminology used in football's usage 'clear and obvious error' is open to interpretation and it's never going to settle down while it's used to reverse decisions that were already a judgement call.
Just think though if VAR was around when Maradona did his "Hand of God " cheating goal, or Thierre Henry's hand ball goal in that crucial match, the outcome would have been different and VAR would have been seen as doing it's job ?
Makes me laugh how an England player gets the slightest touch and the pundits are saying there was contact definite pen.
Then when one of our players stands on someone's foot they're saying its not a pen!
Exactly, we are not clear on when this is to be used or more importantly who says it needs looking at. For me thought this was the refs decision based on if he was unsure rather than someone telling him he is wrong as you know he will change his decision which just doesn’t seem rightOther sports use it ok because they use it to verify what are cut and dried decisions missed by the naked eye e.g.
Tennis: is a ball on the line or over it.
Cricket: is the ball going to hit the stumps
Rugby will review a try but what constitutes foul play is more clearly defined and what they review is more clearcut - did his foot touch the line, did he ground the ball in control of it etc
Even the terminology used in football's usage 'clear and obvious error' is open to interpretation and it's never going to settle down while it's used to reverse decisions that were already a judgement call.
Yeah, it was technically, but I bet you could analyze just about every goal scored inside the box and find an arm on arm, or slight tug, or minimal contact.After seeing it played back a few times I think it was the correct decision.
Yeah, it was technically, but I bet you could analyze just about every goal scored inside the box and find an arm on arm, or slight tug, or minimal contact.
That was a very unfortunate pen last night because it was a pure accident, but by the letter of the law it was a foul.
Agree. That's why common sense should prevail.Surely now every bit of contact has to be reviewed as a possible foul!?
Not sure why you'd think anything dodgy might happen in Russia. This is a piece about the KHL, their top level ice hockey league. Written by Russian sports writer Slava Maiamud:Now I’m no conspiracy theorist but the referee being told via an earpiece by someone unseen in Russia what decision to make is not filling me with confidence.
So, here is what's happening in the KHL, for those who still can't quite grasp the banality of evil, Russian style.
The entire league has been set up this year to allow SKA to win. It's Putin's team, this is Putin's election year, it's chock full of OAR Olympians, SKA is allowed to ignore the salary cap, its payroll is 6 times that of an average team, it has dibs on every star who considers the KHL. Most of its players are rabid Putin supporters who took part in his campaign rally last week. I repeat: SKA must win. It's not an option.
There is a slight possibility of a loss, if the opponent is CSKA, owning to the Moscow team's legacy and the "patriotic value" of their potential victory, but it's a small chance. Putin wants SKA, and SKA it shall be. The KHL even has an official explanation for this:
"Allowing all the best players to concentrate in one team has created unique chemistry that transitioned seamlessly to the Olympic squad. Making the KHL season easy for them has safeguarded against injuries and bad morale. This is why we won the gold"
Yes, the KHL isn't even denying that the entire 2017-18 season is fake. They are simply claiming that sacrificing it for national team's success is totally worth it, "for the honor of the Motherland." They are citing the Soviet model, when the domestic league was also a shame.
However, there is a problem. In the first round of the playoffs, SKA has drawn Severstal Cherepovets. It's not a problem because Severstal is a strong opponent. Not at all. It's an eternal minnow, which has been bad for so long, the league is considering it for contraction.
And this is precisely the problem. Severstal has nothing to lose and nothing to fear. If they bow out to SKA easily, it will prove the league's case and the axe will swing. Giving SKA trouble may at least create enough of a scandal to make the league reconsider.
Severstal is exactly in the same position as the Charleston Chiefs from Slapshot. Trying to stave off the seemingly inevitable demise by being a big story. Even Putin's potential wrath isn't a deterrent. There is also the fact that it's totally unfair to contract Severstal. Yes, it's a struggling team with bad finances, but it's had an incredible season, all things considered. Its fans are amazing. Cherepovets is basically Hamilton, moved way up north and stripped of all its famous Hamilton charm. It's steel mills, hockey, and frozen wasteland.
So this brave little team from a hockey-mad industrial deathscape is being fed into SKA's maw as a playoff appetizer. And it's totally refusing to go down easy! If this wasn't Russia, where evil always wins, it would've been Hoosiers, Miracle and Bad News Bears all in one.
But this is absolutely Russia, so this is what transpires. As SKA, most of its roster badly hung over after Putin's big election bash the day before, is about to lose Game 1, the refs reach for their whistles and blow hard. The penalty minutes count is 24-0 in Severstal "favor".
SKA finally connects on the PP to go up, 3-2, only to see Severstal tie it in the last minute. No problem, though. The refs give SKA two more PPs in overtime, until they finally score. In Game 2, Severstal keep it close for a while, until eventually succumbing.
But in Game 3, with home fans going nuts, Severstal is giving SKA all it can handle. Now, one would think the refs would give this one to the hosts, just to make things plausible. And at least the PIM count is even this time. But the pesky underdogs take it to OT again!
Then, this happens.
If you saw this to the end, you will notice a rather obvious case of offside. The Severstal coach, a cynical, sarcastic dude whose interviews are borderline subversive and make it obvious that everyone knows what's going on, challenged the goal. The play was reviewed.
The replay officials saw exactly what you just saw. They conferred for several minutes and announced their verdict: good goal. Forget making this look plausible, Severstal has become more trouble than it's worth. Better get them out of the way safely. This was too much.
The above video was posted by Severstal's official Twitter account. The word "winning" in "game-winning goal" was in parentheses. The fans' mentions are untranslatable. This, again, is all out in the open. Everyone knows what's going on. Everyone! And nothing can change.
Putin's pleasure and "the Motherland's honor" are what counts. SKA must win. It's the priority. But the last frame of Severstal's little protest video declares, "Hockey Is More Important." In today's Russia, this is as big of an anti-Putin protest as one can be allowed.
Probably, the most tragic thing about it is that Pavel Datsyuk, an amazing player and not in any way a politician, is having his name soiled with this by playing for SKA. But that's what you get when you dance with the devil.
Actually, forget it. The most tragic thing is that everyone in Russia knows what's going on. The fans, the officials, the media. It's out in the open.
And the people who have made it happen (all KHL bosses are Putin's close friends) have already announced that the system has proven effective and should continue.
"For the glory of the Motherland". All I have to say is this, guys. If you learn nothing else from Russia, please, learn to always, always run as fast as you can from the motherfuckers who say they want to bring glory to your country. I am done for tonight.
Not sure why you'd think anything dodgy might happen in Russia. This is a piece about the KHL, their top level ice hockey league. Written by Russian sports writer Slava Maiamud:
I’m saying nothing.
Indeed. Add the fact that racism in stadia is rife. It's a fucking joke they got the world cup. Last night the French players were subjected to racist abuse. Fifa are a bunch of corrupt clowns.The fact they’re hosting the World Cup is bad enough. The Qatar one has more merit.
Exactly this! I was saying this to someone earlier... allow that penalty or she dies!Now I’m no conspiracy theorist but the referee being told via an earpiece by someone unseen in Russia what decision to make is not filling me with confidence.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?