Thorn talks about his defence (1 Viewer)

[skyblu3sk]

ANDY Thorn is hoping defender Richard Wood can put his injury problems behind him and join Coventry City's fight to get out of League One.
The 26-year-old centre-half has been working hard over the summer to recover from a knee problem that forced him to miss the last three months of an injurydogged campaign.

But Thorn wants him fit and fighting for his place in a squad that is far from settled due to the on-going uncertainty over Richard Keogh and Martin Cranie's futures at the Ricoh Arena.

Although Keogh and Cranie have been the manager's first-choice central pairing, there remains the possibility that out-of-contract Cranie will opt to move on and Keogh could be sold, handing Wood * who can also play at left-back * the chance to establish himself back in the starting line-up.

“Woody is still trying to get fit and hoping to be ready to start the pre-season, the same as Nathan Cameron,“ said Thorn, who could also have James McPake back in City's ranks if Hibs fail to follow up their interest in the Scot with a firm offer.

“I am sure he will be disappointed with last season.

“At the start I don't know whether he thought he wasn't first choice or not but he played at Bury in the second game and got injured, missing almost two months. He came back and played four games and was out again, so he had one of those unfortunate seasons that was full of injuries.

“i expect him to play a lot more games and be available a lot more than he has been because he's missed a hell of a lot of games.

“But i'd love him to be fit and available because we need him as a club to play more than he has and it's important we have the likes of Woody fit and available and not sat in the treatment room.

“He's a senior member of the squad and when he plays he does a really good job but unfortunately he was constantly battling against injury last season.“

Wood was restricted to just 14 starts last term before undergoing a cartilage operation towards the end of the season.

“i know he's been working hard on his mobility,“ said Thorn. “He's been in at Ryton doing some stuff and you have to be guided by how the player feels, so we have to wait to see how he shapes up.

“But because of the way things will be it's important that everyone is available and ready to put a shift in.“

 

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[Otis]

Ah, the old 'put a shift in.'

I feel so much better now.

 

[skybluesam66]

“But because of the way things will be it's important that everyone is available and ready to put a shift in.“

is that admitting, that we will again be restricted to the 6 kids who have just signed schoolboy terms?

 

[Otis]

Can't be.

Thorn said he would walk if the club didn't back him.

We should therefore be expecting at least 6 players coming in.

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

Thorn said he would walk etc, why are people using this statement to constantly beat him with? Harry said he would not walk with a year to go on his contract, lo and behold he is now gone....

Readong that article it actually sounds like Thorn was a little dissapointed with Wood last year, and is challenging him to get fit and be a bit harder perhaps.

 

[Grendel]

Thorn said he would walk etc, why are people using this statement to constantly beat him with? Harry said he would not walk with a year to go on his contract, lo and behold he is now gone....

Readong that article it actually sounds like Thorn was a little dissapointed with Wood last year, and is challenging him to get fit and be a bit harder perhaps.

If I was Wood I'd have been disappointed that the first game against big spending Leicester he preferred a 17 year old academy player at right back so Keogh could partner Cranie. An act of stupidity he continued again when he had the chance to change it. McPake sat getting splinters that day as well.

 

[dongonzalos]

If I was Wood I'd have been disappointed that the first game against big spending Leicester he preferred a 17 year old academy player at right back so Keogh could partner Cranie. An act of stupidity he continued again when he had the chance to change it. McPake sat getting splinters that day as well.

Were they both completely fit.

I would have preferred to see keogh at right back and one of them at centre back.

However I would had preferred to see Mcpake stick around and try and force the issue not toddle off to Bonneyland

 

[dongonzalos]

Can't be.

Thorn said he would walk if the club didn't back him.

We should therefore be expecting at least 6 players coming in.

When did he say this Otis, do you know what he actually said?

I can't seem to find it?

 

[wingy]

Were they both completely fit.

I would have preferred to see keogh at right back and one of them at centre back.

However I would had preferred to see Mcpake stick around and try and force the issue not toddle off to Bonneyland

You're possibly right over attitude and it could be said of both players but it does give the impression At had his two earmarked and the others felt bit part players

 

[Ashdown]

Wood can be a good asset at this level, its whether like Mcpake he can stay fit for a long and arduous season.........my guess is not and with Keogh and Cranie no doubt being pushed out by SISU then we can look forward to Cameron and Willis I suppose who will get terribly bullied by seasoned League One pro's.

 

[Grendel]

When did he say this Otis, do you know what he actually said?

I can't seem to find it?

Whatever he said he'll have said something else the next day.

 

[wingy]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...ry-city-manager-92746-30810289/#ixzz1xWn7b5kX

Here it is Dongon don't believe he says he'll walk as such but asks for assurances on squad as it needs addressing massively.

 

[dongonzalos]

Thanks Wingy

The club has asked me if I will stay and I have asked for assurance that they will give me some help with some good players coming in. "We'll just take it from there. I've spoken to them and said that it needs to be restructured and sometimes out of this you can come back stronger, but the player side needs addressing massively and they have assured me they will."

so its not quite as clear cut as make new signings or I will walk. It depends what lets take it from there means really.

He could easily turn round and say, they asked me to stop on and I said yes I will and I told them they need to help me by bring in some quality they promised me they would.

Tim Fisher a couple of weeks later came to me and said. the investors wont put more in. So I am stuck with what I have

If you read above it does not say he will walk without this.


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[sky blue john]

So are we saying everyone who is constantly bringing up the subject of him walking is full of sh it ?

 

[lordsummerisle]

Thorn talks of his defence?

Astute, NLHWC, MMM, Dongle?

 

[Grendel]

So are we saying everyone who is constantly bringing up the subject of him walking is full of sh it ?

No thorn is

 

[dongonzalos]

Thorn talks of his defence?

Astute, NLHWC, MMM, Dongle?

Left back? Harsh

Problem FOR at is his attackers

Lord, Duffy, Torch, BSB (recenlty) OSB has been playing attacking midfield of recent times as well

All quite fearsome poor AT

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Left back? Harsh

Problem FOR at is his attackers

Lord, Duffy, Torch, BSB (recenlty) OSB has been playing attacking midfield of recent times as well

All quite fearsome poor AT

If I'm up front then Thorn can rest easy.

 

[Grendel]

If I'm up front then Thorn can rest easy.

What you're no good? He'll be offering you an extended deal then.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Left back? Harsh

Problem FOR at is his attackers

Lord, Duffy, Torch, BSB (recenlty) OSB has been playing attacking midfield of recent times as well

All quite fearsome poor AT

He'd never play such an attacking line-up!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What you're no good? He'll be offering you an extended deal then.

I scored 4 goals in 5-a-side in 2010/11. Think that puts me above ROD and Jeffers

 

[lordsummerisle]

I scored 4 goals in 5-a-side in 2010/11. Think that puts me above ROD and Jeffers

5 a side experience probably exactly what we will need...

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Thorn talks of his defence?

Astute, NLHWC, MMM, Dongle?

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to argue or imply...."?" is a pretty vague and bare argument! What's your point?

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

So are we saying everyone who is constantly bringing up the subject of him walking is full of sh it ?

Not in so many words, but essentially...yeah.

 

[lordsummerisle]

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to argue or imply...."?" is a pretty vague and bare argument! What's your point?

Thought it was pretty strong evidence that can't be ignored myself.

 

[dongonzalos]

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to argue or imply...."?" is a pretty vague and bare argument! What's your point?

Stop moaning at least you were in the middle and not last on the sheet as the LB always is.

 

[Grendel]

Not in so many words, but essentially...yeah.

Really?

"I am bitterly disappointed. I feel for the players because it has been really tough. We have stuck in there and kept having a go.


"I am gutted because we put a hell of a lot of effort in and, regardless of not having players, we have had chances towards the back end of the season to climb out of it.

"Our home form has been brilliant up until the last two games and it's just been too much for us.

"The club has asked me if I will stay and I have asked for assurance that they will give me some help with some good players coming in.

"We'll just take it from there. I've spoken to them and said that it needs to be restructured and sometimes out of this you can come back stronger, but the player side needs addressing massively and they have assured me they will."

 

[dongonzalos]

To me even in bold and underlined it still does not say sign players or I will walk away.

That is our interpretation, but not his words.

The club have asked me to stay

I have asked for assurances they will bring in good players, they have given me those assurances

Where does it say if they don't live up to those assurances I am off?

 

[Grendel]

To me even in bold and underlined it still does not say sign players or I will walk away.

That is our interpretation, but not his words.

The club have asked me to stay

I have asked for assurances they will bring in good players, they have given me those assurances

Where does it say if they don't live up to those assurances I am off?

Why ask for an assurance then? The question posed was are you staying. If he was always going to stay regardless of circumstance why not just say yes why say "we'll see". What does that then mean?

 

[dongonzalos]

Say you are offered a job at work to be team leader of team B. You say will I still have John, Jack, Mary and Paul also we need another 2 sales people will I be able to bring them in. Your direct boss Tim Fisher says yes as things stand at the moment that is the aim. You have your assurances.

The Investors in in your company say no more money is coming in and the budget needs cutting. They pass that message to the CEO. She tells Tim. It is out of Tim's hands he was the one who said to you the aim was to get 2 more sales people in.

He then says to you look we are sorry it is out of our hands we tried to get the funding we couldn't and we now need to make Jack redundant aswell.

I am sorry it is out of my hands however your sales target will be reduced accordingly as we know you cant get blood out of a stone

If you believe he was genuine when he said to you that that was his aim aswell and the CEO's aim (that is you believe Tim )

Do you now take the huff and quit your job because circumstances have changed.

You would if you had categorically said Tim if I don't get those two sales people you understand I am walking.

I can't see why people expect AT to storm off. Not unless he gets a better offer, he would be silly to.

 

[Grendel]

Say you are offered a job at work to be team leader of team B. You say will I still have John, Jack, Mary and Paul also we need another 2 sales people will I be able to bring them in. Your direct boss Tim Fisher says yes as things stand at the moment that is the aim. You have your assurances.

The Investors in in your company say no more money is coming in and the budget needs cutting. They pass that message to the CEO. She tells Tim. It is out of Tim's hands he was the one who said to you the aim was to get 2 more sales people in.

He then says to you look we are sorry it is out of our hands we tried to get the funding we couldn't and we now need to make Jack redundant aswell.

I am sorry it is out of my hands however your sales target will be reduced accordingly as we know you cant get blood out of a stone

If you believe he was genuine when he said to you that that was his aim aswell and the CEO's aim (that is you believe Tim )

Do you now take the huff and quit your job because circumstances have changed.

You would if you had categorically said Tim if I don't get those two sales people you understand I am walking.

I can't see why people expect AT to storm off. Not unless he gets a better offer, he would be silly to.

Or lets's say you know you are in a job well above your capabilities and all you have to do is throw a few platitudes out and you keep it. When will you wake up to reality?

 

[dongonzalos]

Or lets's say you know you are in a job well above your capabilities and all you have to do is throw a few platitudes out and you keep it. When will you wake up to reality?

You are never going to give AT any credit at all are you.

You know the honeymoon factor when he had those successful ten games, before we sold and released a lot of important players.

What actually led to that success, for it to still happen despite AT messing it up and making tactically errors etc......

 

[Grendel]

You are never going to give AT any credit at all are you.

You know the honeymoon factor when he had those successful ten games, before we sold and released a lot of important players.

What actually led to that success, for it to still happen despite AT messing it up and making tactically errors etc......

The players were clearly anti boothroyd. That is beyond debate. He clearly alienated the squad in a similar way to Adams did and a change would have always brought better results. If we would have stuck with boothroyd we would still have survived. Thorns so called great start was 3 wins. Boothroyd had an identical start and dowie a far better one. Coleman also won a couple early on. The long term has to be looked at to evaluate a managers credentials at a club. Dowie is a classic case in point. For years he lived on the success of one good half a season at palace. He never repeated it elsewhere. He is a poor manager with one good season on his cv (2 if you include Oldham). Thorn is a hopeless manager who hides behind the financial issues at the club (none of which make him a good or bad manager) and a 10 game period which we managed 3 wins and a win ratio the same as all those that proceeded him.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

The players were clearly anti boothroyd. That is beyond debate. He clearly alienated the squad in a similar way to Adams did and a change would have always brought better results. If we would have stuck with boothroyd we would still have survived. Thorns so called great start was 3 wins. Boothroyd had an identical start and dowie a far better one. Coleman also won a couple early on. The long term has to be looked at to evaluate a managers credentials at a club. Dowie is a classic case in point. For years he lived on the success of one good half a season at palace. He never repeated it elsewhere. He is a poor manager with one good season on his cv (2 if you include Oldham). Thorn is a hopeless manager who hides behind the financial issues at the club (none of which make him a good or bad manager) and a 10 game period which we managed 3 wins and a win ratio the same as all those that proceeded him.

This post comes as a shock.

I'd always thought that you were a big fan of Thorn's.

 

[Otis]

Thorn said he needed assurances to stay.

Surely doesn't that mean if he doesn't get those assurances he won't stay?

Wouldn't that be walking?

:thinking about:


Or if it's just words then we need to take everything Thorn says positive or otherwise with a pinch of salt don't we?