Thorn (40 Viewers)

Been away for 2 weeks. Presumed that thorn now having a few people back from injury and having a nearly ok subs bench coinciding with cov getting a couple of good results may have put this thorn debate to bed, clearly not. It seems quite clear to me that he is a decent manager. The squad has too many inexperienced players. When he has a nearly fit 15 he does ok. The squad needs 2 more quality players and 3 championship standard ones. I know we may not be able to afford that. However in my book without it for thorn to have us in with a realistic chance of avoiding relegation he is doing a great job.

Seems fair to triple it, Otis, to fall in line with the Francophile attitude toward Common Agricultural Policy claims

GinettasStickySofa said:

This debate needs some fresh impetus. Let's add some percentages into it.

I think our league position is 80% SISU's fault, 20% Thorn's.

Click to expand...

93 % sisu, 3 % fatwood, 4 % thorn

Otis said:

And 15% the players fault.








Maths was never my strong point.

Click to expand...

And your strong point is?

The before Thorn 40%

The new improved Thorn 1%

Astute said:

And your strong point is?

Click to expand...

I could list them but I only have a couple of days to spare before I start getting busy.

Otis said:

The before Thorn 40%

The new improved Thorn 1%

Click to expand...

would you consider the idea that thorn is the same but players have returned from injury.

dongonzalos said:

would you consider the idea that thorn is the same but players have returned from injury.

Click to expand...

Twas a joke.

I would say Thorn was about 20% to blame, Sisu 65% to blame and the players 15% to blame. These last few games I would say Thorn is zero% to blame. He seems to be getting things spot-on of late and long may that continue!!

Not so sure about the players coming back from injury, possibly more to do with David Bell staying out injured!!

Otis said:

Twas a joke.

I would say Thorn was about 20% to blame, Sisu 65% to blame and the players 15% to blame. These last few games I would say Thorn is zero% to blame. He seems to be getting things spot-on of late and long may that continue!!

Not so sure about the players coming back from injury, possibly more to do with David Bell staying out injured!!

Click to expand...

Há há, poor Bell i would still prefer to have him on the bench than an unready sixteen year old

Astute said:

Yeah right. So people have taken odds that didn't exist? We have not been favourites all season, but when not favourites we have been close to it. 4 teams are now less than evens. I suppose you can get better than that though considering only 3 teams go down

Click to expand...

I know it's early but I've read that twice now and don't really get your point?

You clearly don't believe that anyone got Cov at 5/2 to go down before the season started - you are wrong. You stated that Cov were odds on to go down at the start of the season - you are wrong.

Here is an audit trail of Cov's odds on relegation with many major bookmakers. As you can see on the first day of the season we were generally 7/4 and didn't really go odds on until November.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/relegation/bet-history/coventry

i think astute exaggerated a little and now doesnt wanna come accross as a liar

we have all told a little white lie before,lets leave it be.

Hello. Been on nightshift and have to sleep at some time. Just woke up I am a gambling man. You fancy a bet on it?

Very accurate site I see. They only have latest odds for relegation on Betfair. Can't even get this right. Have us down as 33/50, which is 1.66

1.01£1001.03£61.04£201.05£371.06£181.08£601.10£1211.12£91.15£21£141.16£6£161.17£101.18£2381.19£81.20£50£1791.21£51.22£121.23£101.25£401.26£5271.27£14£3111.28£1901.29£2301.3£1891.31£1,7551.32£1601.33£6121.34£2621.35£3481.36£901.37£2941.38£5£231.39£1621.4£1491.41£1081.42£1371.43£3571.44£1991.45£571.46£141.47£1341.48£2911.49£1141.5£4721.51£181.52£0£1201.53£261.54£751.55£2101.56£2£1041.57£331.58£511.59£171.6£1,6101.61£8661.62£1701.63£2461.64£1041.65£219£1561.66£60£3541.67£521.68£301.69£381.70£50£381.71£71.72£201.73£501.74£281.75£1451.76£431.77£121.8£2261.81£441.84£81.85£401.86£401.87£481.88£41.9£361.91£1£2401.92£261.93£171.95£9721.96£381.98£41.99£20£82£1,0372.02£182.04£102.08£202.1£15£162.12£682.14£30£82.16£30£2202.18£522.2£252.22£2£7462.24£1102.26£4442.28£822.3£1502.32£322.34£302.36£332.38£102.4£0£1062.42£1212.44£242.46£362.5£422.56£30£82.58£1002.6£2482.62£372.66£02.7£432.74£8022.76£542.78£72.8£502.82£232.84£402.9£242.92£82.96£402.98£1893£473.05£283.1£3233.15£2£43.2£393.25£153.5£173.75£12

Unsure who is arguing on what side and can't be bothered to trawl back through the posts, but here are the facts:

Best price (and Betfair is the best indicator you will find for a moving price as anything liquid is arb'd) was 11/4 (matched for £12). We opened at around 5/4 and lengthened when Marlon was on the verge of signing. From then in it was a steady to fall to 1.15 (approx 1/7) until our recent upturn in form.

Hope this helps.

I fail to see how the odds are at all relevant here.

I hold my hand up and say I was wrong. Have trawled through the posts. This was before the Fester game. We were between 6/4 and 7/4 with all bookies but for betfair and the favourites to go down. We were 19/10 with them and I offered anyone 2/1. We went down a lot after our start to the season.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/10288-The-Bookies-Don-t-Give-us-a-Chance

Doesn't stop Thorn being a useless fat bastard though does it!

Otis said:

Doesn't stop Thorn being a useless fat bastard though does it!

Click to expand...

To add insult to injury, he's bald as well.

Otis said:

Doesn't stop Thorn being a useless fat bastard though does it!

Click to expand...

Not bad coming from a thoughtful person who doesn't do insults

Astute said:

I hold my hand up and say I was wrong. Have trawled through the posts. This was before the Fester game. We were between 6/4 and 7/4 with all bookies but for betfair and the favourites to go down. We were 19/10 with them and I offered anyone 2/1. We went down a lot after our start to the season.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/10288-The-Bookies-Don-t-Give-us-a-Chance

Click to expand...

Fair play.

Astute said:

Not bad coming from a thoughtful person who doesn't do insults

Click to expand...

That one was especially for you!

Otis said:

That one was especially for you!

Click to expand...

You remind me of your thoughts of AT.

You used to be 20% to blame for the shite. Now down to 1%

LastGarrison said:

Fair play.

Click to expand...

Glad nobody took me up at 2/1

Astute said:

You remind me of your thoughts of AT.

You used to be 20% to blame for the shite. Now down to 1%

Click to expand...

Indeed. Fair play to the fat, bald, sweaty coont!