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[Lord_Nampil]

Have to say the edge and brown were highlights today considering they have never played together before! Sad a brown mistake cost us the goal! For me today was very disappointing to see the trialists in a none competertive team! You can not judge them in a team where Deegan was the only recognised midfielder, I do look forward to hearing thorns thoughts on the game!!!

 

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[Nonleagueherewecome]

you really didn't go today did you if you thought The Edge was poor. Won every header, had great distribution and seemed one of the few that cared.

I did, and he seemed more concerned with finding row-z or getting into a wrestling match with opposition players than he did with being aware of players ghosting into space behind him. Really really disappointed with his performance. Maybe he was awesome in the 10 bastard minutes I spent queuing to get in?!? He looked like a player who will never cope with the pace of our game, and a bit of a clogger. I'd put him behind Cameron and Wood by miles.

 

[Marty]

I did, and he seemed more concerned with finding row-z or getting into a wrestling match with opposition players than he did with being aware of players ghosting into space behind him. Really really disappointed with his performance. Maybe he was awesome in the 10 bastard minutes I spent queuing to get in?!? He looked like a player who will never cope with the pace of our game, and a bit of a clogger. I'd put him behind Cameron and Wood by miles.

AT strikes again. It's that time of the year to give Bell a contract extension isn't it?:thinking about:

 

[la-ccfc]

3 meaningful pre season games and 3 defeats. friendlies or not that stat is certainly a worry

Since when have pre season games been meaningful?

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Since when have pre season games been meaningful?

Since we started dishing out 3 year contracts based on a decent 45 minutes against Hinckley?!?

 

[stupot07]

Since we started dishing out 3 year contracts based on a decent 45 minutes against Hinckley?!?

Don't be melodramatic - it wasn't just the Hinckley performance but also training, and tbh he's probably been brought in as 3rd/4th choice anyhow.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Thanks NLHWC.

Got a mate who is a nuneaton season ticket holder he described us simply as "terrible"

I was trying to be pretty careful with those questions, in that things like fitness, formation, organisation, pace movement are not dependent on the players that were not playing (our supposedly better players). To my mind after a month of training and friendlies the squad should have some idea of how the team will play whatever the players, it should have a reasonable grip on the formation, it should as a fully professional team show a good level of fitness, it should be playing at a decent tempo, and it should have a clear leader on the pitch. Not saying perfect grip on it all - there are a lot of new players - but we seem to lack drive and organisation certainly.

None of that is dependent on McSheffery or Wood or Thomas or Baker or Bell etc playing. The inclusion of those players should improve on basic foundations because of their better skills and experience, their not playing is not an excuse for those basic questions i posed not being addressed properly and clearly by the manager, coaches and squad

 

[stupot07]

Thanks NLHWC.

Got a mate who is a nuneaton season ticket holder he described us simply as "terrible"

I was trying to be pretty careful with those questions, in that things like fitness, formation, organisation, pace movement are not dependent on the players that were not playing (our supposedly better players). To my mind after a month of training and friendlies the squad should have some idea of how the team will play whatever the players, it should have a reasonable grip on the formation, it should as a fully professional team show a good level of fitness, it should be playing at a decent tempo, and it should have a clear leader on the pitch. Not saying perfect grip on it all - there are a lot of new players - but we seem to lack drive and organisation certainly.

None of that is dependent on McSheffery or Wood or Thomas or Baker or Bell etc playing. The inclusion of those players should improve on basic foundations because of their better skills and experience, their not playing is not an excuse for those basic questions i posed not being addressed properly and clearly by the manager, coaches and squad

But to be fair OSB, a lot of those player today have never played together before and for half of them it was their the first friendly appearance of the season.

 

[oldskyblue58]

i accept that stupot but surely they work with the whole squad on things like formations, how we set up to defend, have practice matches in training etc. The point i am making is that as a squad we should understand what is going on so if you put in the second or third choice right back they will know how the team is set up to play and understand what is required .... really not sure we do. To be honest that is a trait that existed last season and it seems things are no clearer now

 

[Ryan Parfrey]

A mate of mind who told me about having the Brazilian striker and German midfielder on trial 2 days before it was announced has told me that we are apparently signing Marcello Trotta in 2 weeks time on loan. This is surely good news if its happends, but does it mean someone is leaving?

 

[stupot07]

i accept that stupot but surely they work with the whole squad on things like formations, how we set up to defend, have practice matches in training etc. The point i am making is that as a squad we should understand what is going on so if you put in the second or third choice right back they will know how the team is set up to play and understand what is required .... really not sure we do. To be honest that is a trait that existed last season and it seems things are no clearer now

I agree but I'm terms of training together Cody, deegan, 2x trialists, brown and ball have only trained for 1 week with the first team, if it was a team full of the likes of sheffers, kilbane, etc that had of post today I would've been worried. Villa got beat by Chester today and Luton beat Ipswich so we're not the only side to lose to non league sides today.

 

[TheFACTs]

I agree but I'm terms of training together Cody, deegan, 2x trialists, brown and ball have only trained for 1 week with the first team, if it was a team full of the likes of sheffers, kilbane, etc that had of post today I would've been worried. Villa got beat by Chester today and Luton beat Ipswich so we're not the only side to lose to non league sides today.

finally a Cov fan with some common sense!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Don't be melodramatic - it wasn't just the Hinckley performance but also training, and tbh he's probably been brought in as 3rd/4th choice anyhow.

Y'see, I don't think we are in a position to be signing players to be reserves: we sign them, they compete for a place, and the best(or only ones that are fit) are selected. Excusing a shite pre-season showing because "he'll only be third or fourth choice" won't help if he has to play 20-30 games at L1 level. And he is on a three year contract..

Thinking about the training match where "Malaga won everything in the air" and " Bruno got the goal and if it's 1-0 him every week I'll take that"-yeah, problem is, these stellar showings were against our other players. I can see how they might have done OK if Malaga was dealing with long aerial punts to Cody, and Bruno just had to get past Brown and The Blunt Edge, I really can, this is what worries me..

 

[oldskyblue58]

its not the results in friendlies i am worried about .... it is the standard of our play, and not just in this latest friendly. It may well change with the first team out ..... lets see how they do against Wrexham Tuesday (thats the next one isnt it ?) didnt AT say he was going to play those players who didnt play today? Not pressing the panic button or anything and it is only friendlies but in two weeks it wont be and would like to see evidence of a clear direction in what we are trying to do ..... not much of it around so far

 

[gary_ccfcforever]

it might have been pre-season, but today was an utter shambles. Thorn fills we with absolutely no confidence whatsoever. 1-0 was kind on us, nuneaton completely dominated the game, and thorn seemed clueless on how to make a difference. i left dis-heartened, against a local team where pride is at stake you expect a bit of pride and passion. there was none today, it was just dull, slow, ponderous and clueless.

 

[Grendel]

it might have been pre-season, but today was an utter shambles. Thorn fills we with absolutely no confidence whatsoever. 1-0 was kind on us, nuneaton completely dominated the game, and thorn seemed clueless on how to make a difference. i left dis-heartened, against a local team where pride is at stake you expect a bit of pride and passion. there was none today, it was just dull, slow, ponderous and clueless.

Ah well we are used to it. Most believe it to be entertaining football. Can't wait for the season now.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

At least Sammy could pass, even if it was sideways..is he still on the dole?

 

[señor Santiago]

the brazillian had some good touches just needs to adjust to english football. Andy thorn are you so stupid. This was citys first home game or close as why not play your best 11 to please the local crowd. brown brother is useless cant run properly in united club due to brothers reputation. the number 9 who ever he was too fat and slow. the black defenders very comfortable on the ball need to improve tackling and headers. deegan useless cody nearly useless . the german maybe im not trying to insult just dont know names

 

[stupot07]

Y'see, I don't think we are in a position to be signing players to be reserves: we sign them, they compete for a place, and the best(or only ones that are fit) are selected. Excusing a shite pre-season showing because "he'll only be third or fourth choice" won't help if he has to play 20-30 games at L1 level. And he is on a three year contract..

Thinking about the training match where "Malaga won everything in the air" and " Bruno got the goal and if it's 1-0 him every week I'll take that"-yeah, problem is, these stellar showings were against our other players. I can see how they might have done OK if Malaga was dealing with long aerial punts to Cody, and Bruno just had to get past Brown and The Blunt Edge, I really can, this is what worries me..

I know what your saying, but from the accounts from those that went to Scotland Malaga looked far better than Wood in those games so hopefully he'll be a decent signing, not sure on the Edge though. I knew the 8-0 and 5-0 opening two games would be red herrings. And I disagree we need more depth and cover in the squad so we don't have to rely on kids like last season - we all said the squad wasn't big enough.

And let's moan about Bruno if we sign him, I'd rather go and spend a bit of money on a proven league one goal scorer like Beven.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

the brazillian had some good touches just needs to adjust to english football. Andy thorn are you so stupid. This was citys first home game or close as why not play your best 11 to please the local crowd. brown brother is useless cant run properly in united club due to brothers reputation. the number 9 who ever he was too fat and slow. the black defenders very comfortable on the ball need to improve tackling and headers. deegan useless cody nearly useless . the german maybe im not trying to insult just dont know names

9 was Ball. Agree with much of what you say, but Cody was clearly a class above all our other players, just not match fit yet. You have to admit he deserved a goal when he hit the post-it was almost a cracking finish!

 

[dongonzalos]

I did, and he seemed more concerned with finding row-z or getting into a wrestling match with opposition players than he did with being aware of players ghosting into space behind him. Really really disappointed with his performance. Maybe he was awesome in the 10 bastard minutes I spent queuing to get in?!? He looked like a player who will never cope with the pace of our game, and a bit of a clogger. I'd put him behind Cameron and Wood by miles.

Watch the youtube clip that Nick posted, it looks like an agents clip to try and sell him.

He distributes the ball really well. However he always seems to look to mark space and not his man.

I hope we have Wood and Malaga or Wood and Cameron and the Edge as back up with Willis.

Really hope we dont lose Wood. He will eat up this league.

 

[ClarrieB]

Since when have pre season games been meaningful?

The result is not meaningful but the performance/game time/fitness aspects are - otherwise...why bother?

 

[ClarrieB]

Thanks NLHWC.

Got a mate who is a nuneaton season ticket holder he described us simply as "terrible"

I was trying to be pretty careful with those questions, in that things like fitness, formation, organisation, pace movement are not dependent on the players that were not playing (our supposedly better players). To my mind after a month of training and friendlies the squad should have some idea of how the team will play whatever the players, it should have a reasonable grip on the formation, it should as a fully professional team show a good level of fitness, it should be playing at a decent tempo, and it should have a clear leader on the pitch. Not saying perfect grip on it all - there are a lot of new players - but we seem to lack drive and organisation certainly.

None of that is dependent on McSheffery or Wood or Thomas or Baker or Bell etc playing. The inclusion of those players should improve on basic foundations because of their better skills and experience, their not playing is not an excuse for those basic questions i posed not being addressed properly and clearly by the manager, coaches and squad

If it went to a fan vote, I'd have this guy over Thorn as manager of ccfc -

 

[dongonzalos]

Line up for the seaseon

...................Murphy
Clarke.....Malaga........Wood...........Hussey

Baker......Deegan ......Fleck................Shef
.............or Killer ..or New Signing......

..............Cody Ball/new signing

Subs

Dunn
Cameron
Bell
Bruno
Thomas
Riki
Willis


How close was the side that played against Nuneaton to this and if it was miles off why is that. Is it due to injures

 

[Astute]

If you have trialists you need to see them play and not just train. This is one of the good things about friendlies.

 

[dongonzalos]

If you have trialists you need to see them play and not just train. This is one of the good things about friendlies.

I am not too worried then if the team that lost one nil to nuneaton looks nothing like what our starting 11 will be. However we really do need those two extra bits of class who will be in the first 11 not squad players

 

[gary_ccfcforever]

i have heard that the edge will play left back, with malaga and wood (if still around) at cb come the new season

 

[skybluesteve76]

Chill folks! That team yesterday will bear absolutely no resemblance to the one that takes the field at Yeovil.
I can't believe that so many people get wound up about pre season friendlies.
The team was full of trialists,academy and new signings, all of which have never played together before. It was a competitive training session, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Sky Blues boss Andy Thorn expressed his disappointment at his side's performance after they fell to a 1-0 pre-season friendly defeat to Nuneaton Town.
Kyle Perry scored the only goal of the game 11 minutes into the second half although the Sky Blues very nearly snatched an equaliser through second half substitute Cody McDonald who hit the post in the last ten minutes of the game.


Thorn said: "I'm disappointed because that was not what we wanted from the game. Yes we had some young boys out there but given the fact I've got a pretty good idea of what my starting 11 will be I was hoping some of the lads would go out there and give me something to think about and they didn't do that.
"It's pre-season and it's all about fitness and as I've said before the results are not really important but you still want a performance and we didn't get that.


"I was only going to leave William Edjenguele on the pitch for 45 minutes but I left him on for the 90 because I felt that if I took him it could've been more. The boys need to take a look at themselves and I've told them that in the dressing room because on the strength of that none of them will be getting in the first team."
Recent loan signings Reece Brown and Callum Ball started for the Sky Blues, with Ball coming off at half time, as did trialists Ndriqim Halili and Bruno Cazadine who played a respective 90 and 60 minutes.




http://www.ccfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10269~2864438,00.html

 

[oldskyblue58]

"It's pre-season and it's all about fitness and as I've said before the results are not really important but you still want a performance and we didn't get that.

http://www.ccfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10269~2864438,00.html

clearly from the point of view of performance and pressing for places friendlies do matter ....... have to agree with what AT said about that ..... which is also what most people are saying. Next question for AT to answer or figure out is why the players didnt perform - and that isnt all down to having youngsters, trialists, loanees

 

[skybluegod]

Line up for the seaseon

...................Murphy
Clarke.....Malaga........Wood...........Hussey

Baker......Deegan ......Fleck................Shef
.............or Killer ..or New Signing......

..............Cody Ball/new signing

Subs

Dunn
Cameron
Bell
Bruno
Thomas
Riki
Willis


How close was the side that played against Nuneaton to this and if it was miles off why is that. Is it due to injures

only 1 of those back 4 played hussey, only one of those midfielders played deegan, and only 1 of those striker played in each half. and i think it was to get other players fitness up. and i think edge will be on the bench at least.

 

[skybluegod]

Sky Blues boss Andy Thorn expressed his disappointment at his side's performance after they fell to a 1-0 pre-season friendly defeat to Nuneaton Town.
Kyle Perry scored the only goal of the game 11 minutes into the second half although the Sky Blues very nearly snatched an equaliser through second half substitute Cody McDonald who hit the post in the last ten minutes of the game.


Thorn said: "I'm disappointed because that was not what we wanted from the game. Yes we had some young boys out there but given the fact I've got a pretty good idea of what my starting 11 will be I was hoping some of the lads would go out there and give me something to think about and they didn't do that.
"It's pre-season and it's all about fitness and as I've said before the results are not really important but you still want a performance and we didn't get that.


"I was only going to leave William Edjenguele on the pitch for 45 minutes but I left him on for the 90 because I felt that if I took him it could've been more. The boys need to take a look at themselves and I've told them that in the dressing room because on the strength of that none of them will be getting in the first team."
Recent loan signings Reece Brown and Callum Ball started for the Sky Blues, with Ball coming off at half time, as did trialists Ndriqim Halili and Bruno Cazadine who played a respective 90 and 60 minutes.




http://www.ccfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10269~2864438,00.html

lad to see AT telling them to buck there ideas up and putting it plain and simple

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

If it went to a fan vote, I'd have this guy over Thorn as manager of ccfc -

Nah, I reckon we need him in the boardroom sorting that lot out, it's his true area of expertise! Hands up who would rather have OSB on the board as our "local" man rather than Fatty Clarke? :wave:

 

[Sick Boy]

Paul Tisdale, do it now, might as well.

He would be my choice as well, fair play!

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Nah, I reckon we need him in the boardroom sorting that lot out, it's his true area of expertise! Hands up who would rather have OSB on the board as our "local" man rather than Fatty Clarke? :wave:

Never mind OSB replacing Clarke, I'd have him replacing Fisher! :wave: