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That's true. We haven't seen anything of what SISU were planning behind the scenes. Internal memo's, minutes from meetings, that sort of thing. SISU's motivation behind all their decision's will never come out. Good point NW.
Curiosity has the better of me. What would SISU have to disclose in a judicial review of a transaction that didn't involve them?
I didn't think there was room for additional pitches at Higgs but having a dig around I found a planning application from before the centre was there. It was actually made by the football club to have all their training facilities (i.e.: getting rid of Ryton) located there and included 9 outdoor pitches as well as the indoor pitch, plus accommodation! The CCC planning portal doesn't seem to be working properly at the moment so I can't view the original Higgs plans to see how the pitch locations match up and what would need to be done to add more pitches there. Did notice that on the CCFC plans it involved work to avoid flooding, that might only have been needed if they were fitting as many pitches as possible on there.
Problem is if Anderson comes out and says we need abc nobody will believe him and then we'll have an article in the paper the next day from Higgs, CSF or Wasps saying what we actually need is xyz.
Get someone not directly involved to establish exactly what we need then question all sides on it and put a plan of action forward.
For example if it is possible to fit more pitches in then the club should offer to assist with that (along with Wasps) and in return pressure should be put on CCC to allow any planning application and Higgs to remove their restriction.
Same with the indoor centre. If the use of Wasps kicking barn will not meet academy requirements, which seems to be the case, then put pressure on CCC to locate any new pool elsewhere and again put pressure on Higgs to allow the club to sign a long term deal.
You would also have to get agreement from the club that if the Trust was to apply that pressure the club would commit to the centre and assisting towards any additional facilities required.
Agree though saving £600,000 might be.That is very interesting, particularly the historical planning application.
I may be over simplifying it but it seems to me that the Higgs Charity stumped up the money for a modified version of that original plan and have now decided that their investment should be withdrawn from the club due to a break down of good will.
Your idea that the Academy could still be accommodated on the site is good, it is also possible for the club to reacquire some or all of the Ryton land owned by the Connexion and build there, maybe including some housing to cover some of the costs, apart from a distinct lack of vision and imagination from those in charge at CCFC the major stumbling block in either of those schemes is that ARVO/SISU will not put any more money into the club. As I see it the only hope for the Academy is for SISU to withdraw litigation and negotiate with CCC/CSF/Higgs about the indoor facilities, but I don't think preserving the Academy Cat 2 status is top of their wish list.
Cash flow, cash flow..Agree though saving £600,000 might be.
Agree though saving £600,000 might be.
The indoor pitch is unique enough that it has a chance in a fight against the swimming pool
The problem though Tony is that after Wasps have got permision for their kicking barn, the current indoor pitch won't be unique any more will it? It will be said that the "old" indoor pitch is expendable, and therefore can be replaced by a swimming pool. I agree that we need to concentrate 100% on fighting for the Academy, but sadly because of the way the developments have been lined up, I fear there won't be much mileage in opposing the planning applications.
I think we are going to have to try and cajole (and if necessary shame) all parties into making sure that CCFC comes out at the end of the process still having a thriving Academy. Personally, I'm not too hung up on how that's achieved, and if it ends up being somewhere else in the city that's OK. Do CCC, CSF and Wasps (and by extension their sponsors) really want to be complicit in ending the Academy? Grendel says yes, and the last few days suggest he might be right, but I still have hope and we need to concentrate 100% on forcing the right outcome. I think CCFC (SISU) are going to have to put something tangible in for once though.
I didn't think there was room for additional pitches at Higgs but having a dig around I found a planning application from before the centre was there. It was actually made by the football club to have all their training facilities (i.e.: getting rid of Ryton) located there and included 9 outdoor pitches as well as the indoor pitch, plus accommodation! The CCC planning portal doesn't seem to be working properly at the moment so I can't view the original Higgs plans to see how the pitch locations match up and what would need to be done to add more pitches there. Did notice that on the CCFC plans it involved work to avoid flooding, that might only have been needed if they were fitting as many pitches as possible on there.
Problem is if Anderson comes out and says we need abc nobody will believe him and then we'll have an article in the paper the next day from Higgs, CSF or Wasps saying what we actually need is xyz.
Get someone not directly involved to establish exactly what we need then question all sides on it and put a plan of action forward.
For example if it is possible to fit more pitches in then the club should offer to assist with that (along with Wasps) and in return pressure should be put on CCC to allow any planning application and Higgs to remove their restriction.
Same with the indoor centre. If the use of Wasps kicking barn will not meet academy requirements, which seems to be the case, then put pressure on CCC to locate any new pool elsewhere and again put pressure on Higgs to allow the club to sign a long term deal.
You would also have to get agreement from the club that if the Trust was to apply that pressure the club would commit to the centre and assisting towards any additional facilities required.
The problem though Tony is that after Wasps have got permision for their kicking barn, the current indoor pitch won't be unique any more will it? It will be said that the "old" indoor pitch is expendable, and therefore can be replaced by a swimming pool. I agree that we need to concentrate 100% on fighting for the Academy, but sadly because of the way the developments have been lined up, I fear there won't be much mileage in opposing the planning applications.
I think we are going to have to try and cajole (and if necessary shame) all parties into making sure that CCFC comes out at the end of the process still having a thriving Academy. Personally, I'm not too hung up on how that's achieved, and if it ends up being somewhere else in the city that's OK. Do CCC, CSF and Wasps (and by extension their sponsors) really want to be complicit in ending the Academy? Grendel says yes, and the last few days suggest he might be right, but I still have hope and we need to concentrate 100% on forcing the right outcome. I think CCFC (SISU) are going to have to put something tangible in for once though.
Its not really though is it? Its an indoor 3G pitch, it will just have a higher roof and a rugby goal. I guarentee the kicking barn will be named as a reason the indoor pitches can go. Its all interlinked.I assume that a kicking barn is what it says and is a tall building at least half the footprint of a full size pitch. If that's right it's something completely different. Meaning that the indoor pitch is still unique.
True - rather we just went to JR2 now.
Any idea why we don't drop JR1 which has been pretty well dashed, and go on to JR2? Negotiations are already on hold and putting something damaging to Wasps to the court may force them to restart or make a settlement.
Was looking for something else but found this in the TelegraphThe wasps development and the swimming pool are all interlinked, it would be niaive to think it isn't.
Wasps are in secret talks about redeveloping the Alan Higgs Centre into a permanent training facility for the rugby club – including building an Olympic-sized swimming pool.
The plans were before it all became online but there's scans of all the paperwork including the plans:That is very interesting, particularly the historical planning application
So CCFC want to close the academy?
dont know do they?So CCFC want to close the academy?
Not a bad idea. Build up and put the pool on top of the existing facilities.Surely if the area can't take a pool and indoor pitch, can't they make the building two storey,the pool on the ground floor and the indoor pitch on the first floor, or visa-versa
If they really wanted to do this together the area available should easily manage.
Sounds good to me. And when Wasps are using everything below the pool just pull the plug and drown the fuckers. But try to wait until their best mates from CCC are visiting.Not a bad idea. Build up and put the pool on top of the existing facilities.
They've done nothing in the past, and are certainly doing nothing nowSo CCFC want to close the academy?
So CCFC want to close the academy?
They've done nothing in the past, and are certainly doing nothing now
that makes me think otherwise.
£600.000 per annum is a lot of money.
What....other than continuing to pay for it, and applying and gaining cat 2 status merely 2 years ago
http://mobile.ccfc.co.uk//news/arti...med-academy-coventry-city-070414-1473669.aspx
You're right though, other than that, there's nothing to suggest that ccfc want to do anything but close the academy.....
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Is there anything normal in any of this?Was a bit strange.
They've done nothing in the past, and are certainly doing nothing now
that makes me think otherwise.
£600.000 per annum is a lot of money.
I'm talking about their history with us on the whole, a history of cost-cutting, puttingWhat....other than continuing to pay for it, and applying and gaining cat 2 status merely 2 years ago
http://mobile.ccfc.co.uk//news/arti...med-academy-coventry-city-070414-1473669.aspx
You're right though, other than that, there's nothing to suggest that ccfc want to do anything but close the academy.....
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Of course it is an academy is the lifeblood of our club, to lose it would be a disaster,And using it to develop the likes of Wilson and Maddison (£5.5m in 2 years) isn't a great use of time or money to the club??
I hope not, but I think the court cases will run on longer.I honestly don't think they think they'll be here in 2 years time.
Maybe the court cases will, just get the feeling this is a concentrated effortI hope not, but I think the court cases will run on longer.
Maybe the court cases will, just get the feeling this is a concentrated effort
to oust them, hopefully give them no option but to leave.
I would of thought all parties concerned want rid of SISU, the reasonsWhy would Wasps want to get rid of SISU unless they are after taking over our club?
They also know that SISU won't give up on the litigation easily. So to me it is so they have a reason (a very shit one) to not negotiate with SISU.
And using it to develop the likes of Wilson and Maddison (£5.5m in 2 years) isn't a great use of time or money to the club??
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