Time to step up NOPM? (1 Viewer)

longjohnskyblue · Sep 13, 2013

With the trust turning their back on the members vote of having nothing more to do with sisu isn't about time we as fans take over the reigns and do what they have failed to do and clearly have no intention of doing any more?

NOPM is clearly having an effect, yet just as it starts to work these people drop what little support ?

No wonder criticism is growing more vocal of these people!

Nick · Sep 13, 2013

What do you suggest / plan then?

Sutty · Sep 13, 2013

What effect is NOPM having? Genuine question as I haven't really seen SISU change course at all.

lordsummerisle · Sep 13, 2013

Spend less money than no money?

Hugh Jarse · Sep 13, 2013

Boycott the wallpaper table shop at The Ricoh Tescos!

italiahorse · Sep 13, 2013

Sutty said:
What effect is NOPM having? Genuine question as I haven't really seen SISU change course at all.

It's early days yet.
SISU are still hoping for an upturn in followers.
At some point, I suggest the JR appeal rejection, they will need to make a big decision.

longjohnskyblue · Sep 13, 2013

Point is FA threaten withdrawal of funds, sisu change tune within a day!

Could of course be coincidental, but I do not believe in coincidences! There has been a marked change in tone from what little info has come from Fisher (Unless of course I was mistaken when CWR referred to fisher saying he was willing to talk when confronted by fans at sixfields). He did certainly come out with the now infamous 3 games and they will be back nonsense pre-season. There is no business that can survive with zero funds (no matter what histrionics TF comes out with).

NOPM may not bring about the ownership by the trust of the club, but that isn't what I or probably many want. I want the club back in cov with owners who aren't prepared to try the nuclear option when they don't get what they want. I also welcome fan ownership, but not trust ownership. There should be a share issue, then if the trust buy a significant portion of said shares fine, but they certainly shouldn't be given it for free! After all they have shown that they are even amongst themselves torn as to the direction, so how on earth can they be expected to have a clear direction going forward - especially when they have a track record of not necessarily taking into account members opinions (how many times has the administrator of this very website had e-mails ignored as just one example!)

I genuinely feel that the loss of credibility by sisu is beyond repair. Sitting round the table with them as fans is no longer a valid path - they will say one thing and do another (obvious exception uprooting the team!). Any notion of the fans having a constructive role with sisu in charge is just a fiction (have sisu ever taken the fans concerns into account).

Todays announcement simply shows just how divided the trust and its various offshoots are. The trust never really backed the NOPM campaign, but they did try and take credit for it when they thought there was milage in it for them. Which is why I am so critical of their intentions. It seems they are more concerned in their relationship with sisu rather than the welfare in the club. If not then why when their members voted overwhelmingly (their words not mine) to have nothing further to do with sisu, are they now abandoning that and trying to get on sisu's good side? This for me ultimately goes to the heart of their lack of credibility. Just look at the video of the "protest" of the FL. It had only about 2-3 people - that isn't going to get the FL shaking in their boots is it!

As it stands the trust would like NOPM to quietly go away. Thing is NOPM is the only thing the fans have to protest that could possibly have an effect! What else is left? Just lie down and take whatever sisu dish up or fight till the game is won? There is only one way forward NOPM - be it by any other name!

Sisu will not listen to fans, they want you to attack ACL ort the council - anyone but sisu! If you want sisu to stay in charge fine, but if like me you want them gone NOPM (not going to games etc). The trust could use the fighting fund to start a legal challenge to the admin process, but they seem reluctant to use the fighting fund to fight - WHY?

ccfcmustang · Sep 13, 2013

I said months ago that the trust would turn their backs on the fans. The last member of the trust i spoke to highlighted that the trust want 51% ownership of the club. This is where I lost all faith with them. We need a new direction NOPM isnt working and if we make the play offs, it will all go out the window

Matty_CCFC · Sep 13, 2013

longjohnskyblue said:
With the trust turning their back on the members vote of having nothing more to do with sisu isn't about time we as fans take over the reigns and do what they have failed to do and clearly have no intention of doing any more?

NOPM is clearly having an effect, yet just as it starts to work these people drop what little support ?

No wonder criticism is growing more vocal of these people!

Dick Heads Back PSGM1 your an idiot.

ps. Not in the Trust

fernandopartridge · Sep 13, 2013

longjohnskyblue said:
With the trust turning their back on the members vote of having nothing more to do with sisu isn't about time we as fans take over the reigns and do what they have failed to do and clearly have no intention of doing any more?

NOPM is clearly having an effect, yet just as it starts to work these people drop what little support ?

No wonder criticism is growing more vocal of these people!

Where is the evidence of the clear effect? Is it the club selling its best players in August?

longjohnskyblue · Sep 13, 2013

Plan is simple Starve sisu of what they want - money! Trust have turned their back on this campaign, just when it is starting to bite! If it ain't broke don't fix it! Certainly 2 people shouting outside the FL offices is having absolutely no effect whatsoever - which seems to be the only thing the trust is willing to do these days! 2-3 people at a time is easy to ignore - and double glazing damps outside noise quite a bit!

Are you seriously trying to say nobody going to a match isn't going to say more than 2 people shouting at a HQ? Oh and Lord summerisle - have I said spend no more than nothing? Try reading a comment before criticising it out of hand next time - I'm saying the trust are not backing boycotts anymore this is a massive change in direction, and should be alarming a lot of fans - they are no longer representing the majority that are boycotting - yet because daring to challenge them is deemed disloyal to the club it is being swept under the carpet!

Certainly if I were a member and they turned the back on what the membership wanted, I would be fuming!

longjohnskyblue · Sep 13, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
Where is the evidence of the clear effect? Is it the club selling its best players in August?

how about the lowest attendances in the clubs history! How about when the FA threatened cutting off funds they go back to negotiations within a day!

Oh yeah seem to have forgotten that one didn't you FP!

longjohnskyblue · Sep 13, 2013

Matty_CCFC said:
Dick Heads Back PSGM1 your an idiot.

ps. Not in the Trust

Typical Trust response - tell the truth - dick heads etc!77

Should look in the mirror - the trust has betrayed its membership today!

longjohnskyblue · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcmustang said:
I said months ago that the trust would turn their backs on the fans. The last member of the trust i spoke to highlighted that the trust want 51% ownership of the club. This is where I lost all faith with them. We need a new direction NOPM isnt working and if we make the play offs, it will all go out the window

precisely but they don't want to pay for it!

Nick · Sep 13, 2013

Matty_CCFC said:
Dick Heads Back PSGM1 your an idiot.

ps. Not in the Trust

What is with the abuse? No need is there?

Sutty · Sep 13, 2013

longjohnskyblue said:
how about the lowest attendances in the clubs history! How about when the FA threatened cutting off funds they go back to negotiations within a day!

Oh yeah seem to have forgotten that one didn't you FP!

The first of those things is irrelevant towards the goals of NOPM. Yes, the crowds are low partly because of NOPM, but unless those low attendances are pushing the situation onwards it's not a sign of NOPM 'working'.

The second point is again irrelevant to NOPM. The FA pressure was to do with the category 2 status of the academy and the quality of the facilities. It has nothing to do with low attendances.

RegTheDonk · Sep 13, 2013

longjohnskyblue said:
With the trust turning their back on the members vote of having nothing more to do with sisu isn't about time we as fans take over the reigns and do what they have failed to do and clearly have no intention of doing any more?

NOPM is clearly having an effect, yet just as it starts to work these people drop what little support ?

No wonder criticism is growing more vocal of these people!

Sorry John, don't know what you mean? Have the Trust put out a statement, or has something happened elsewhere?

hill83 · Sep 13, 2013

longjohnskyblue said:
how about the lowest attendances in the clubs history! How about when the FA threatened cutting off funds they go back to negotiations within a day!

Oh yeah seem to have forgotten that one didn't you FP!

Ha! Lowest attendance in the clubs history correct. Having an actual effect to Sisu which is the whole point. No evidence. Lowest attendance isn't proof of NOPM working. I know minimum 10 people who refuse to go but don't agree with NOPM. So don't get confused.

ccfcmustang · Sep 13, 2013

Finally my reasoning seems to be getting through. Attendances mean nothing to SISU, if they were expecting a lot of people to go im sure they would have looked somewhere a little better than sixfields! They had many chances to sell throughout all this and in many ways the position they are in now is probably the best for years they will not be starved out its impossible. I concur that something needs to be done about the trust

italiahorse · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcmustang said:
Finally my reasoning seems to be getting through. Attendances mean nothing to SISU, if they were expecting a lot of people to go im sure they would have looked somewhere a little better than sixfields! They had many chances to sell throughout all this and in many ways the position they are in now is probably the best for years they will not be starved out its impossible. I concur that something needs to be done about the trust

.... or a little smaller than Sixfields say Rugby FC. as dictated by the miniscule support.
You will have to explain being in the best position for years !!

Thinks ...... Would Rugby be near enough for CCFC?

ccfcmustang · Sep 13, 2013

Well, costs are at there lowest point for years
A manager who looks like he really wants to stabilise the playing side
got out of the contract with the council and ACL without having to pay the unpaid rent
Best football for years
Football club now one entity

Its a shame but SISU are not in too bad of a situation

ccfcway · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcmustang said:
Its a shame but SISU are not in too bad of a situation

I am of the generation which enjoyed relative success by staying in the top flight all of those years.

May I remind you on SUNDAY we will be playing STEVENAGE as the JOINT BOTTOM team of LEAGUE ONE

Not too bad a situation ?

skybluetony176 · Sep 13, 2013

italiahorse said:
.... or a little smaller than Sixfields say Rugby FC. as dictated by the miniscule support.
You will have to explain being in the best position for years !!

Thinks ...... Would Rugby be near enough for CCFC?

it would be nearer for me as i can walk their in 15mins from my house if i dont stop at the pubs on the way. i go all the time and its a good ground for the level that rugby town play at, but i still wouldn't go to see cov there. nopm means nopm.

Matty_CCFC · Sep 13, 2013

longjohnskyblue said:
Typical Trust response - tell the truth - dick heads etc!77

Should look in the mirror - the trust has betrayed its membership today!

I am not in the fecking Trust

However, anything to agree with I am against.

ccfcmustang · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcway said:
I am of the generation which enjoyed relative success by staying in the top flight all of those years.

May I remind you on SUNDAY we will be playing STEVENAGE as the JOINT BOTTOM team of LEAGUE ONE

Not too bad a situation ?

Monetary wise and the general business organisation they arent in a bad place now than FROM WHEN THEY TOOK OVER, they dont have a £1.3m 50 year lease, a amanger who wants to stabilise the club and everything now in one entity. They havent really come out of the situation badly. they didnt even have to pay for the unpaid rent! they even offered to pay more money to some people but they chose to accept less!!

ccfcway · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcmustang said:
Monetary wise and the general business organisation they arent in a bad place now than FROM WHEN THEY TOOK OVER, they dont have a £1.3m 50 year lease, a amanger who wants to stabilise the club and everything now in one entity. They havent really come out of the situation badly. they didnt even have to pay for the unpaid rent! they even offered to pay more money to some people but they chose to accept less!!

When they took over, it was "Operation Premiership". Less than 24 hours ago our manager said he would be happy to avoid relegation to League Two this season

ccfcmustang · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcway said:
When they took over, it was "Operation Premiership". Less than 24 hours ago our manager said he would be happy to avoid relegation to League Two this season

You need to accept we arent the club which we used to be, as SP says what we need is stability. once we have that and pull 20,000 a week at the ricoh then ill start looking at the premiership. until then, because of everything thats happened im happy with our managers comments.

ccfcway · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcmustang said:
You need to accept we arent the club which we used to be, as SP says what we need is stability. once we have that and pull 20,000 a week at the ricoh then ill start looking at the premiership. until then, because of everything thats happened im happy with our managers comments.

Unfortunately I do accept that. I accept we have left Coventry and only when I see any evidence that we are coming back them I will start looking at going to home games again

Houdi · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcmustang said:
Monetary wise and the general business organisation they arent in a bad place now than FROM WHEN THEY TOOK OVER, they dont have a £1.3m 50 year lease, a amanger who wants to stabilise the club and everything now in one entity. They havent really come out of the situation badly. they didnt even have to pay for the unpaid rent! they even offered to pay more money to some people but they chose to accept less!!

Income from home games dropped by over 6 figures each game, corporate sponsorship has virtually dried up, no shirt sponsorship, a club shop that is a wheelbarrow. I trust your job is not that of a financial adviser.

rondog1973 · Sep 13, 2013

It's a war of attrition. Give it time. Sisu financially distress ACL, we do the same to Sisu with NOPM.

Sisu/Otium/Arvo are either

a) Skint
b) Financially sound but not prepared to pay the going rate for a Stadium/entertainment complex and negligent of the football team that should be playing there.

Either way, they are not fit to run a football club, and undeserving of mine or any other Cov fans hard earned cash. NOPM.

stupot07 · Sep 13, 2013

How do you 'step up' NOPM if those who believe in NOPM are already adopting NOPM?

No future with SISU · Sep 13, 2013

ccfcmustang said:
Finally my reasoning seems to be getting through. Attendances mean nothing to SISU, if they were expecting a lot of people to go im sure they would have looked somewhere a little better than sixfields! They had many chances to sell throughout all this and in many ways the position they are in now is probably the best for years they will not be starved out its impossible. I concur that something needs to be done about the trust

What do you mean the position they are in now is probably the best for years (league 1,playing in northampton 1800 gates) and do you have access to their bank accounts to know they have cash to pay the wages at the end of the september/october

Grendel · Sep 13, 2013

No future with SISU said:
What do you mean the position they are in now is probably the best for years (league 1,playing in northampton 1800 gates) and do you have access to their bank accounts to know they have cash to pay the wages at the end of the september/october

The league have accepted the funding of losses through capital injection. Suggestion this also counts as revenue for FFP as well.

Jack Griffin · Sep 13, 2013

Sutty said:
What effect is NOPM having? Genuine question as I haven't really seen SISU change course at all.

I think it is working, but it will take more time. SISU ain't coming back this year anyway, they're the guys who moved when they didn't need to.

Grendel · Sep 13, 2013

Jack Griffin said:
I think it is working, but it will take more time. SISU ain't coming back this year anyway, they're the guys who moved when they didn't need to.

There Is zero evidence that its working.

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