Time's Up (2 Viewers)

[bigfatronssba]

He'd only do that if he was a complete idiot prepared to write off 2.5 years salary

Mowbray must've been an idiot then

 

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[robbiekeane]

Oh give it a rest, we only didn't win due to a silly goalkeeping error

it was shocking football though wasn’t it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I disagree that he's on the edge and don't think not winning tonight makes Saturday d-day either. Going back to what I said a couple of games ago he gets until at least Christmas.

There is a lack of logic on here really, you either believe all the players are shite or the manager is.

I believe they pick and choose when to perform. Whenever there’s nothing at stake, or nothing’s expected, they produce the best football they’ve produced in their time here.

It’s hard not to intensely dislike some of them.

 

[clint van damme]

They’ve done nothing to dispel this tonight that’s for sure. A weak as piss bunch of players and what will piss me off the most is if we go down, the worst offenders will be the first on the phone to their agents trying to leave.

Learning to take criticism is part of the game.
Trouble is now, there's no Kelly or Fadz, (or even Adi) in the dressing room to help them through it.
They look totally rudderless.
There's probably several players with their mentality in most changing rooms, but there's probably half a dozen others who can cajole and lift them. We don't look to have anyone like that.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Oh give it a rest, we only didn't win due to a silly goalkeeping error

We didn't win because we failed to score more goals than the opposition

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh give it a rest, we only didn't win due to a silly goalkeeping error

The performance was grim.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Mowbray must've been an idiot then

Well given that he only had 8 months left on his contract it's hardly comparable

 

[clint van damme]

The teams not much different to last season.
You are watching us right? You're watching Robins piss about with the line up/formation every week with no obvious plan. And what's the game plan exactly because I'll be fucked if I know.
I think its very weak when people suggest there's no one out there that could get better from this group.
End of the day I just want us to stay up now which is an extremely low bar, but sadly I think Robins takes us down.

So you agree with the way a winning formula has been ripped up then?
As for last season, You do realise the things I've mentioned were in place last season and now they're not.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I believe they pick and choose when to perform. Whenever there’s nothing at stake, or nothing’s expected, they produce the best football they’ve produced in their time here.

It’s hard not to intensely dislike some of them.

Cup run last year went to their heads. Being in the limelight they all thought they were billy big balls. They aren't interested in autumn nights away at QPR anymore.
Evidenced by them playing out of their skin against Spurs

 

[Ring Of Steel]

They’ve done nothing to dispel this tonight that’s for sure. A weak as piss bunch of players and what will piss me off the most is if we go down, the worst offenders will be the first on the phone to their agents trying to leave.

We don’t make that one howler and we win.

I genuinely don’t understand what people were looking for tonight, a great performance was highly unlikely to happen.

an error strewn nervy match was always the likeliest outcome and that’s exactly what happened.

Nothing has changed for me, apart from it’s a point which might help a bit with the confidence, and onto the next one, where I hope to god the atmosphere doesn’t turn toxic if we’re nervy and low on confidence again.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Learning to take criticism is part of the game.
Trouble is now, there's no Kelly or Fadz, (or even Adi) in the dressing room to help them through it.
They look totally rudderless.
There's probably several players with their mentality in most changing rooms, but there's probably half a dozen others who can cajole and lift them. We don't look to have anyone like that.

We look like relegation contenders, simple as that. I do feel for the decent professionals we know are in that dressing room.

 

[clint van damme]

I’m sorry but I do not agree at all. Whether you think he’s spent money on tosh, or this model of buying only younger players is wrong - fine.

But Doug thinking he can make a fortune … ??

It's clear what he's trying to do and it seems, listening to the ITKs that he doesn't want to go down the loan or veteran route.
If that's incorrect then what is the reason we have neither in our squad? Because its absolutely fucked us.

 

[TomRad85]

So you agree with the way a winning formula has been ripped up then?
As for last season, You do realise the things I've mentioned were in place last season and now they're not.

Just excuses for poor management at this point tbh. You can pick at things one by one anyway, like did Doug block Robins bringing in experience? Wheres the proof? If @Saddlebrains is to be believed we were close to signing Alan Browne and Robins pulled away to sign Stamenic.

 

[procdoc]

We don’t make that one howler and we win.

I genuinely don’t understand what people were looking for tonight, a great performance was highly unlikely to happen.

an error strewn nervy match was always the likeliest outcome and that’s exactly what happened.

Nothing has changed for me, apart from it’s a point which might help a bit with the confidence, and onto the next one, where I hope to god the atmosphere doesn’t turn toxic if we’re nervy and low on confidence again.

Maybe people are pissed off with being in the bottom. 3. Maybe people didn’t want an error strewn nervy match when we’ve spent 40 million quid on this squad?

 

[fernandopartridge]

The performance was grim.

You are not going to get a great performance all of a sudden from a team lacking in confidence without an away win for 7 months.

The second half was reasonable. It should have been enough to win but for a goalkeeping mistake.

 

[SBAndy]

I disagree that he's on the edge and don't think not winning tonight makes Saturday d-day either. Going back to what I said a couple of games ago he gets until at least Christmas.

There is a lack of logic on here really, you either believe all the players are shite or the manager is.

And it pains me to say I’m falling down on the ‘manager’ side at present. I really believe this is a good squad of players being mishandled. I hope something clicks and we can forget this episode ever happened but I don’t think it’ll play out that way.

 

[bigfatronssba]

You are not going to get a great performance all of a sudden from a team lacking in confidence without an away win for 7 months.

The second half was reasonable. It should have been enough to win but for a goalkeeping mistake.

No one has satisfactorily answered the question of why are we lacking in confidence and why are we without an away win in 7 months?

 

[clint van damme]

Just excuses for poor management at this point tbh. You can pick at things one by one anyway, like did Doug block Robins bringing in experience? Wheres the proof? If @Saddlebrains is to be believed we were close to signing Alan Browne and Robins pulled away to sign Stamenic.

I can't prove it, but he used experienced players for 7 years and now he's got none.
Had an assistant for 7 years now he hasn't got one.
Used loans for 7 years now there's none.

If that's on him then it's fucking terrible management, but you have to be pretty stupid to think it is.

 

[fernandopartridge]

No one has satisfactorily answered the question of why are we lacking in confidence and why are we without an away win in 7 months?

1. Because we've not won any of the away games in that period
2. See 1

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We don’t make that one howler and we win.

I genuinely don’t understand what people were looking for tonight, a great performance was highly unlikely to happen.

an error strewn nervy match was always the likeliest outcome and that’s exactly what happened.

Nothing has changed for me, apart from it’s a point which might help a bit with the confidence, and onto the next one, where I hope to god the atmosphere doesn’t turn toxic if we’re nervy and low on confidence again.

We produce a half decent game we go 2 or 3 up and one howler makes no difference to the result. I’m sorry, we saw this with Southgate’s England all summer and people got blinded by results there too.

We have had a very generous fixture list for 11 games and can’t manage a point a game. Decent teams will ruin this side.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I disagree that he's on the edge and don't think not winning tonight makes Saturday d-day either. Going back to what I said a couple of games ago he gets until at least Christmas.

There is a lack of logic on here really, you either believe all the players are shite or the manager is.

Looking at the fixtures after Luton it really doesn't look good if we don't win on Saturday, can't see him lasting past November right now if we fail to get 6 points from Luton and Derby matches.

I mean we could get points from the other games but realistically Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Sheffield Utd and Burnley I'd be amazed if we get more than 3 points and would only expect around 1 point.

If we only pick up a point against Luton and pick up the 3 v Derby you are looking at 5-7 points from the next 6 fixtures.

Be looking at 17 games with 14-16 points and it's hard to see how it carries on.

 

[bigfatronssba]

1. Because we've not won any of the away games in that period
2. See 1

Why haven't we won any?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Why haven't we won any?

Because we've not scored not goals than the opposition in any of them.

Do you want me to say because of Mark Robins?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You are not going to get a great performance all of a sudden from a team lacking in confidence without an away win for 7 months.

The second half was reasonable. It should have been enough to win but for a goalkeeping mistake.

Great no, but better than what we served up. We took the lead early on then reverted to type instead of going for another.

When your defence and goalkeeper are as bad as ours, grinding out 1-0s is riskier than trying to put the game away.

 

[TomRad85]

I can't prove it, but he used experienced players for 7 years and now he's got none.
Had an assistant for 7 years now he hasn't got one.
Used loans for 7 years now there's none.

If that's on him then it's fucking terrible management, but you have to be pretty stupid to think it is.

His assistant was fired for gross misconduct wasn't he? I'm sure Robins had some say in the new coaching setup, would be odd if he didn't.

And away from all that, again, he's just been totally bizarre this season. I know you don't really rate how he's approached a lot of matches this season but people are afraid to go further into it because it's Robins.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Because we've not scored not goals than the opposition in any of them.

Do you want me to say because of Mark Robins?

You're confident that this is a very long blip

So if possible I want you to tell me what the cause is and what can be done to correct it

 

[fernandopartridge]

You're confident that this is a very long blip

So if possible I want you to tell me what the cause is and what can be done to correct it

Fuck off you Tory c**t

 

[Cally Fedora]

We don’t make that one howler and we win.

I genuinely don’t understand what people were looking for tonight, a great performance was highly unlikely to happen.

an error strewn nervy match was always the likeliest outcome and that’s exactly what happened.

Nothing has changed for me, apart from it’s a point which might help a bit with the confidence, and onto the next one, where I hope to god the atmosphere doesn’t turn toxic if we’re nervy and low on confidence again.

Agree. It reeked of tension which transmitted into an incredibly poor quality of game. We’re tense and tight and lacking leadership and experience. For me it’s now time to pick on personality. Which means starters have to include Bassette, Wilson (when fit), Kitching and Bidwell. The only crumbs of leadership we have.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

We produce a half decent game we go 2 or 3 up and one howler makes no difference to the result. I’m sorry, we saw this with Southgate’s England all summer and people got blinded by results there too.

We have had a very generous fixture list for 11 games and can’t manage a point a game. Decent teams will ruin this side.

not the same is it, Southgate had all kinds of exceptional talent at his disposal high on confidence, it was much clearer to identify his coaching as the issue. Totally different scenarios.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

not the same is it, Southgate had all kinds of exceptional talent at his disposal high on confidence, it was much clearer to identify his coaching as the issue. Totally different scenarios.

Relative to the level we have players who really should not be anywhere near the drop zone.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Looking at the fixtures after Luton it really doesn't look good if we don't win on Saturday, can't see him lasting past November right now if we fail to get 6 points from Luton and Derby matches.

I mean we could get points from the other games but realistically Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Sheffield Utd and Burnley I'd be amazed if we get more than 3 points and would only expect around 1 point.

If we only pick up a point against Luton and pick up the 3 v Derby you are looking at 5-7 points from the next 6 fixtures.

Be looking at 17 games with 14-16 points and it's hard to see how it carries on.

Luton will bully us and they score a lot of goals from corners.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Relative to the level we have players who really should not be anywhere near the drop zone.

Still not the same though is it- you’re comparing a group of players who even with Southgate’s approach got to two finals & who arguably are up there with the most talented groups in world football.

 

[clint van damme]

His assistant was fired for gross misconduct wasn't he? I'm sure Robins had some say in the new coaching setup, would be odd if he didn't.

And away from all that, again, he's just been totally bizarre this season. I know you don't really rate how he's approached a lot of matches this season but people are afraid to go further into it because it's Robins.

Adi was fired but should have been replaced.

I'm not against the new coaching system, but you don't just rip up what's brought you success, you introduce new methods gradually.

We've made major changes all in one go and it's showing.
I can't think of another team with a structure
and a lop sided squad like ours.
Think it was FP said Sunderland were similar last year and were awful, have now added a bit of experience and are flying.

 

[alfielloyd]

QPR finished one place outside the relegation zone last season, they have failed to win at home this season. We scraped a point against a side that lost to the team at the bottom of the Championship last Saturday. Robins was right about managing expectations. Grim.

 

[Otis]

You are not going to get a great performance all of a sudden from a team lacking in confidence without an away win for 7 months.

The second half was reasonable. It should have been enough to win but for a goalkeeping mistake.

I only saw the second half. I didn't think we were that bad. Certainly should have won. Just some bad decision making and I didn't see the performance as shit, just saw a team low on confidence, which is natural.

Simms fluffed his lines twice, which was really annoying.

We should have won.

I would fancy our chances against Luton on Saturday, but losing Eccles could be a big blow. Any news on how he is?