Martin180
Well-Known Member
So he turned a squad who missed out on relegation on the last day to leading the league for vast chunks in the space of 6-9 months and he under achieved ? Have a day off will you
So he turned a squad who missed out on relegation on the last day to leading the league for vast chunks in the space of 6-9 months and he under achieved ? Have a day off will youSorry he massively under achieved in a very weak league last season....I genuinely thought we should be play offs minimum last year and he blew best chance in ages.
This year a bit trickier but he should be at least where we were last year or hit the road! Think he will walk if nowhere near play offs near end of the season anyhow!
No a lot of that was the dependence of 3-4 key players who weren't used to playing a whole league season , lack of depth too the squad and a concerted push by the owners in January to ensure promotion .The fact we had to sign Henderson and Ramage shows the lack of investment and foresight by the ownersWhether I go to away games or not is irrelevant. That squad with the start it had should have finished top 6, the relegation form in the 23 games following the Gillingham win cost us as did our away form. A lot of that is down to mowbrays lack of plan b and failing to come up with a suitable plan to stop the rot and get results away from home - I put that at the managers door more than the squad not being good enough. The league wasnt that strong last season apart from Wigan, and he'll struggle to get a better chance of promotion.
I would understand your beef if I had said that squad should have won the league, that would have been unrealistic, but given the start and thr players in the squad it really should have finished top 6.
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
I am talking within the squad...someone or something is severely impacting in a negative wayNo kidding!
I hope thats the plan, as this so called 2 year project isnt long enough, so many players left in the summer clear out, its got to be a 3 year project at least to see us competing properly. and thats what I'm prepared to wait for, as the roots are just now being sewn.I think our budget is about 10th in the league.
So if he finishes 10th I would rather him have another year to build and add to the likes of....
Reid
Jones
Rose
RCC
Turnball
Stokes
Vlad
Bigi
Willis
With our budget the only way we will get there is if a manager is given time to build
He has to either equal or better last seasons final position otherwise he's failed IMO.
I think our budget is about 10th in the league.
So if he finishes 10th I would rather him have another year to build and add to the likes of....
Reid
Jones
Rose
RCC
Turnball
Stokes
Vlad
Bigi
Willis
With our budget the only way we will get there is if a manager is given time to build
Pretty sure they said it was about the same this season, he just hasn't spent it all yet. .Is TM's budget this season equal to or better than last season's budget?
Yep, plenty of teams have got in tbr top 6 or been promoted from league one on smaller budgets than ours, bar 2-3 teams there won't be the huge difference between the majority of the clubs budgets. Its how you use it, and then get the best out of those resources.I don't get the fixation with budget size and the implication that it is the sole indicator of success or otherwise. Should the teams with the 4 smallest budgets just give up in August? Did Leicester have the biggest budget in Premier League last season?
I don't get the fixation with budget size and the implication that it is the sole indicator of success or otherwise. Should the teams with the 4 smallest budgets just give up in August? Did Leicester have the biggest budget in Premier League last season?
Pretty sure they said it was about the same this season, he just hasn't spent it all yet. .
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
Is TM's budget this season equal to or better than last season's budget?
You're forgetting STs and Matchday ticket prices have increased, yes attendance is currently lower but they will pick up. There's also a couple of guaranteed extra cup games, plus extra prize money for jpt.I take they have put another loan in then.
As we got the break even point wrong previously and there was a short fall.
I think it is down a bit on last season because of this.
You're forgetting STs and Matchday ticket prices have increased, yes attendance is currently lower but they will pick up. There's also a couple of guaranteed extra cup games, plus extra prize money for jpt.
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
The break even point was 14k fans a match.
Do you think the rise in ticket sales costs has brought that break even point down to around 10k?
Also that it has covered the fall in the amount we get from FB due to the lowering of the crowd.
If it had then fair enough I could see how we have the same budget.
However I don't think it has and I think our budget will be around about 10th in the legume just my opinion.
That was Ranieri's first season at Leicester, Burton had a change of manager mid season.Burton and Leicester broke the trend because of the one thing our supporters don't appreciate and won't support and that's stability! TM needs at least another season to continue a rebuild that has barely started.
No it's just a reliable barometer.
Most teams finish in and around where their budgets have them.
The very odd team such as Leicester, Yeovil, Burton break the trend.
However for me for TM to have performed badly enough at his job to be sacked or asked to no longer continue I would want him to perform below his budget.
If our owners want 6th or above then I want them to provide the resources for 6th or above.
If they don't then they can't very well get rid of a bloke for doing as expected.
The break even point was based on 14k based on STs 33% cheaper and matchday tickets cheaper. No I think the brrakeven will be back to 11k as it was originally supposed to be last season the increase in ST and matchday prices and matchday packages should mean 11k is correct this season. It will only take one or 2 bigger gates to get back to 11k average - we've only had 2 home league games.
F&b are about £60k last it wouldn't make a huge difference if we got £5k less..
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
So Mowbray in your view is a bang average manager incapable of influencing the situation? I thought you said he was better than most managers in this league?
That was Ranieri's first season at Leicester, Burton had a change of manager mid season.
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
No a lot of that was the dependence of 3-4 key players who weren't used to playing a whole league season.
So Mowbray in your view is a bang average manager incapable of influencing the situation? I thought you said he was better than most managers in this league?
Agreed , my comment was mainly regarding Armstrong and Murphy and how reliant we became on themI agree with the rest of your post but not this point. They're professional footballers...from when they were young, the majority of them will have played football non-stop to make it to the professional ranks. The bare minimum they should be able to do is play 40-50 games a season. They're trained professionals.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I agree with the rest of your post but not this point. They're professional footballers...from when they were young, the majority of them will have played football non-stop to make it to the professional ranks. The bare minimum they should be able to do is play 40-50 games a season. They're trained professionals.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Think you hit the nail on the side of the head. There training professionals. Young lads on loan away from there stable environments of friends, family and comfortable surroundings that's been home for years.
Players do burn out though especially young players early on in their careersI know it's not a like for like comparison, but I could play 30 games a season, unfit and with no training whilst holding down a full time job when I played. I know I wasn't playing league football and the standard was vastly different but it's all relevant. They train day in day out.
Missing their mum or their mates won't affect their aerobic ability over 90 minutes, 40-50 times a season when they work on fitness throughout said season.
Players do burn out though especially young players early on in their careers
I'm starting to think we're cursed, I can't remember the last manager who consistently signs good players - other than that I think generally he's a good manager he overachieved last season and I believe he can again this season, albeit once we get out of this slump
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You're talking bollocks. Why should that squad finished top 6? Great frontline and good at home but you don't go away do you?
No not for me. The man is fighting an uphill battle from the start. We are lucky to have TM IMO and he is doing his best on what he can. He saved us from a certain relegation and you say with the squad he has last year well he made that squad and signed them up.
We need to kick on I agree but I'm sick of the new managers at ccfc so stick with him. Unless he fails and keeps losing then fair enough. He needs time. Highest finish in many a year has to be classed as an improvement.
No a lot of that was the dependence of 3-4 key players who weren't used to playing a whole league season , lack of depth too the squad and a concerted push by the owners in January to ensure promotion .The fact we had to sign Henderson and Ramage shows the lack of investment and foresight by the owners
That's when they should be at their fittest!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?