chiefdave
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What is generally stated, at least by Fisher and the independent 'experts' CWR and CT drag out, is that we can have a competitive budget in L1 but not at a higher level.
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What is generally stated, at least by Fisher and the independent 'experts' CWR and CT drag out, is that we can have a competitive budget in L1 but not at a higher level.
Grendel
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Fucking hell
skybluetony176
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You're the delusional one. I've never said that I think that Rochdale, Walsall or Bury have better budgets or anything remotely close to indicate I think that.
skybluetony176
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Most? Oh you mean TF. We all know he only tells the truth to suit an argument. On this occasion it's to suit your argument
Grendel
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So how about Oldham, Crewe, Southend, fleetwood, Chesterfield, port vale, burton, Shrewsbury, Blackpool then?
skybluetony176
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Couldn't tell you as I don't know what their budgets are. Do you?
Nick
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No, I was talking in general.Most? Oh you mean TF. We all know he only tells the truth to suit an argument. On this occasion it's to suit your argument
skybluetony176
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Chris Anderson doesn't apparently.
Nick
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Don't think I said he didn't, was just saying most said that statement about the championship not league one
skybluetony176
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No you didn't to be fair. But I'd think that CA's opinion is more relevant than "most". Whoever they are. And as TF seems to have all but disappeared probably more important than his too. Be interesting to hear LD's take on it as that will be as near to the horses mouth as we'll ever get.
Grendel
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Wigan, Sheffield United?
skybluetony176
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Do you think I have a list of all league one teams budget or something?
Grendel
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So in your opinion we could have a bigger budget than Wigan and Sheffield United?
skybluetony176
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Why do you continually try to put words in people's mouths. Do you think it makes you look clever?
[h=1]Port Vale: Rob Page vows to keep players positive after chaiman's 'unwelcome' budget news[/h]By MikeBaggaley | Posted: February 12, 2016
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Port Vale boss Rob Page
Comments (0)PORT Vale manager Rob Page has described chairman Norman Smurthwaite's comments about a huge pay-cut to the playing budget for next season as unwelcome, but says he is determined to keep the players focused on finishing as high up the table as possible this season
Smurthwaite is in talks to sell the club but says that, if he remains owner, then the playing budget is likely to be cut by around £800,000 for next season. That's believed to be a cut of more than a third to this season's budget.
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Grendel
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Sorry? You are speculating that sisu were possibly over playing their assessment of our budget weren't you?
So in your opinion we could have a bigger budget than Wigan?
I would bet my house we haven't. You however are not sure.
That's ok but seems to contradict some opinions offered on this thread in my opinion.
skybluetony176
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You're doing it again. Putting words in people's mouths to try and make yourself look clever. Have you actually read anything I've said on this and paid attention to it?
dongonzalos
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Underplaying it by the sounds of it to be fair.
They are pretty much saying its 7th in terms of the playing side of things.
Some experts in here know that it is actually in the top six.
So it sounds like in order to protect Mowbray SISU have been pretending it is 7th.
Which is quite honourable really as you would think they would want to point out that the budget they are giving a manager is actually in the top 4 for example because what more cZn they really do as owners.
I am going with you lot Waghot must be wrong
Grendel
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True comedy gold.
Grendel
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What you've said is speculative but based on zero foundation.
What I want is some assumptions based on foundation and factual consideration.
You will not commit as you know ultimately you will be drawn into a conclusion you hate to admit.
That we have a wage bill (not budget) within the top 6 in the league.
Only a moron would think otherwise,
skybluetony176
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Here's what I actually said in my OP
It's pretty clear what you're playing at here. I've quite rightly called the people at the tops figures into question and because I've been critical of them you're tripping over yourself to put words into my mouth because you can't have anyone pointing out frailties in our owners planning and estimating skills. You've even (as pointed out earlier in this thread) claimed two complete opposite's to be true on a single point to disagree with me. You talk about morons like you aren't one. Funny, very funny.
It's pretty clear what you're playing at here. I've quite rightly called the people at the tops figures into question and because I've been critical of them you're tripping over yourself to put words into my mouth because you can't have anyone pointing out frailties in our owners planning and estimating skills. You've even (as pointed out earlier in this thread) claimed two complete opposite's to be true on a single point to disagree with me. You talk about morons like you aren't one. Funny, very funny.
dongonzalos
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Glad you find the suggestion you know more than Waggot about CCFC's player budget
Or
that SISU reported in the media that it is less than what is really is as amusing as I do.
johnwillomagic
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I think it's top eighth to sixth......
dongonzalos
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Great, I thought you were ignoring Waggot's quote and going with your own superior knowledge about the playing staff budget.
Glad you are back on track
singers_pore
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How can anyone automatically believe what SISU say about the budget or anything else for that matter, after all the nonsense that SISU came out with over the new stadium? It's truly amazing how gullible some of our fans are.
SISU can't even estimate the break-even crowd figure properly (11,000/14,000). So why do people think that SISU can figure out where we are in terms of our budget relative to other teams in L1?
SISU can't even estimate the break-even crowd figure properly (11,000/14,000). So why do people think that SISU can figure out where we are in terms of our budget relative to other teams in L1?
Do all clubs have the same agreed costs in a yearly budget then? If not then how or what is the point of comparing. And as our owners are masters with words, figures, dates and spin it's not worth a time or effort working out the rights and wrongs. I don't like our owners, but if clubs declare the same things within a yearly budget then a top 10 budget is fair for a club in our position. However Promotion is not the aim in my opinion, stability, lowering running costs, producing Academy kids and keeping fan interest is. Are these good things for a club yeah, if you are happy of a non progressive club with L1 football the staple diet for the next how many years. And that is Sisu's best kept secret, they dont need promotion as it costs JS needs 14,000 to tick her over while she plays silly buggers with the courts. Anyway might be wrong just an opinion and only time will give us answers to how committed JS is to the club for the right reasons.
skybluetony176
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This ^
Maybe SW was being 100% straight with what he said. I don't know that he was as I don't have all the figures I just have SW's word. But then by the same token the posters on here who insist that it is gospel and 100% factual also ignore the history of information and estimation that comes from top at our club. It's hardly has a track record of being accurate but does have a track record of being smoke and mirrors. I think that's reason enough to not take it as gospel.
stupot07
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SISU don't run the club day to day, they would have asked waggott to come up with a break even budget, and that would have been profiled by Brookstein the financial director and waggott and present to SISU. That would have been their fault not SISU's.
I don't know whether it's top 6 or not just like Tony and Down don't know it's 8th, but I look at some of the players we've got in or squad who won't be on peanuts, and that tells me we had a compressive budget. The last 26 games failure is down to mowbray not the budget.
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Nick
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We did have a competitive squad, there was no mention of the budget when pretty much the same squad was winning.
dongonzalos
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I have never said its 8th
I have always just quoted what he said 8th-6th
I can't see any reason for him to lie.
I think if he was going to lie surely he would make it higher. It's seemed quite genuine to me.
He was pointing out league position finishes compared to budget and how it wasn't good enough.
All I have said all along us that it is one of the barometers to use when judging a manager. However you need to give the manager the chance to use that budget to get his own squad. Mowbray needs at least another summer to bring in his own squad. Then I would say he can be judged budget verses league position.
If it is 8th-6th again budget wise and he finishes well off that o would have concerns.
dongonzalos
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I think people were a bit shocked we were top of the league to be fair
I don't think anyone expected that.
skybluetony176
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One small point. I've not personally put a position on where I believe we fall in the budget table. All I've said is why take SW at gospel given the history of smoke and mirrors from the top. Announcement in 2 weeks, new year. We're talking to multiple local authorities, the environment agency etc. and doing impact studies, TF estimates on crowds at Sixfields, required average gate for this season. I really could go on and on at what has turned out to be pure inaccuracy to bullshit to completely fudging figures and getting estimates wrong on an alarming scales. That seems to have been enough to upset Grendull and send him on the warpath putting words into my mouth, asking leading questions instead of just making the point etc.
SW said we have a playing wage budget of £2m, yes I would expect that to be correct. He then went on to say that we BELIEVE that puts us in the top quartile using the FL redacted report. It's the latter I'm saying is ambiguous and open to interpretation. To start of the top quartile is not the same as saying the top quarter (someone gave an explanation of that earlier) if it's top quarter i.e. sixth or above why not just say top quarter not quartile? Also the report is redacted so with the best will in the world the placing of us exactly in that table is going to require some estimating, I've already pointed out the history of estimating. Also the figures as far as anyone can tell is based on the SCMP calculation and there are ways and means of getting around that. Or are we to believe that Bury can afford the wages of the likes of Clarke based on the SCMP calculation?
I'm taking the suggestion that we have a top six budget with a cynical pinch of salt, that's all. And given the history of those at the top of our club who could blame me? I don't know where we actually fall in that table and neither does any of those taking sixth place as gospel because SW said so.
Moff
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We were shocked, but then we also didnt complain about the budget when this happened.
skybluetony176
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Talk of the budget didn't come up until posters started taking a snapshot of part of the season rather than a season as a whole and start calling for the managers head. Funny that the same posters weren't calling for him to be given a five year contract during a more favourable snapshot of the season. It was almost like they were waiting for him to fall on his sword so they could enjoy calling for him to go. Which is of course all too easy and ignoring the bigger picture. Budgets then came up as part of this bigger picture.
Moff
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Ive never called for the managers head, nor until today discussed the budget, it just hasnt been relevant.
In my opinion, Mowbray seems to have had a fairly decent budget. I think he could have done better, but am not sure whether that was play offs or not.
I dont agree with chopping and changing managers every year, as it just causes internal chaos, has no stability and costs the club money which could be spent on players. I hope he can achieve more next year, and think if he doesnt he will go by choice or by the clubs decision. I would like to think he will succeed, but he cant make the same mistakes again.