I'll start by asking you my first question again that you sidestepped. Do you not think that paying taxes justifies your income?
Not aware on his views on Kosovo so I'll look that up.
His friends in the middle east? I assume that you're referencing his association with the Palestine solidarity campaign? If you are it's not a terrorist organisation by any stretch of the imagination. Even yours.
Sorry?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13331522
The first question is so poorly constructed in makes no sense.
It also I think ignored the point I was making. Namely levying an additional 7% on an all ready modest wage is absurd.
And Labour select a Muslim London Mayoral candidate at the same time, London apparently has 12.5% Muslims. Scares the shit out of little old atheist me!
And we've got a Tory prine minister but I'm not a Tory. Then again a typical bigoted JG view.And Labour select a Muslim London Mayoral candidate at the same time, London apparently has 12.5% Muslims. Scares the shit out of little old atheist me!
And we've got a Tory prine minister but I'm not a Tory. Then again a typical bigoted JG view.
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One thing that amuses me is that despite Corbyn winning overwhelmingly, the opinion of the voters is rejected by a lot of Labour MPs. What's the point in having elections if the views and preferences of voters are ignored if they don't corrospond to what the MPs.
The New Labour lot who are rejecting Corbyn should take a look at themselves and wonder why they are being wiped out.
Sorry?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13331522
The first question is so poorly constructed in makes no sense.
It also I think ignored the point I was making. Namely levying an additional 7% on an all ready modest wage is absurd.
Grendel, when you read these things about meeting Sine Fein or other groups who has written that ? How accurate is it, politicians of all parties have met controversial figures over the years from Lenin to Hitler to Saddam Hussein, doesn't make them supporters it's what politicians do.
Read your link. I'm aware who Hamas are but how is Corbyn connected to them?
One thing that amuses me is that despite Corbyn winning overwhelmingly, the opinion of the voters is rejected by a lot of Labour MPs. What's the point in having elections if the views and preferences of voters are ignored if they don't corrospond to what the MPs.
The New Labour lot who are rejecting Corbyn should take a look at themselves and wonder why they are being wiped out.
Yeah, that Joseph Chamberlain bloke was the worst of the lot.
Anyway, I've been doing a bit of research, not just swallowing the Tory party danger danger cry.
There is a lot of stuff Corbyn says I like but a few things, mainly in the foreign policy, immigration & welfare area I am deeply concerned about and I am not convinced Labour will ever protect the economic well being of the country, they've screwed up big time twice in my lifetime.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34209478
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11775739/jeremy-corbyn-policies.html
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/12/what-does-jeremy-corbyn-think
* To explain my welfare concerns I am not against it, but I am against living on benefits as a way of life, a few years of dossing is one thing, but spending 20-30 years on the benefits when there is no medical reason for it is a different thing altogether. Frank Field has some interesting views on welfare, which can be summed up in an oversimplified way as "you can only take out if you put in but the rich put in more than they take out". http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/oct/29/frank-fields-welfare-contribution-plan
Labour's general secretary Iain McNicol said that since Mr. Corbyn was elected, membership of the party was "now over 325,000 and rising".
During the leadership campaign, Corbyn often drew huge crowds at his rallys with his anti-austerity message and unconventional style of politics.
Yesterday Mr McNicol said that he wanted to see new Labour supporters "out on the doorsteps, alongside the members who've campaigned for years, or even decades".
"A warm welcome to the 15,500 who have joined in the last 24 hours," he wrote on Twitter.
Meanwhile Labour's new deputy leader Tom Watson said that he hoped many of the 'registered supporters' who paid £3 to vote in the leadership campaign would now upgrade to full membership.
If you actually need to be asked that you've clearly not followed any of the debates about Corbyn and his associations. If you can't be bothered to then frankly there is no point in further discussion.
I feel like a history professor trying to educate a grade F GCSE student - it's impossible.
I wil save my energy for the more intelligent debaters on this thread.
A history professor would be obliged to point out where Corbyn calls ISIS utterly abhorrent...
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-victory-vision
If you actually need to be asked that you've clearly not followed any of the debates about Corbyn and his associations. If you can't be bothered to then frankly there is no point in further discussion.
I feel like a history professor trying to educate a grade F GCSE student - it's impossible.
I wil save my energy for the more intelligent debaters on this thread.
There isn't one then. Didn't think so. You've probably took a few sound bites from some of the scare mongering that's been flying around, put two and two together coming up with five and taking it as gospel when in fact it's gossip.
Starts pissing around taxing me I'll go on the Rock and roll instead
I know - the Guardian are so right wing:
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism
Shock horror. An MP engaging in dialogue with terrorist organisations. Shouldn't happen. Hold on, how did the Northern Ireland piece process come around? That's right, John Major engaged with terrorist intent on attacking the UK and who were unwilling to negotiate. Things change when you change your engagements from military to dialogue.
We've had this argument before about Northern Ireland and you were woefully ignorant of the big picture. I've been to the West Bank and I defy any decent human being to go there and not come up with the conclusion that this shouldn't be happen. I don't agree with the actions of organisations such as Hamas but I deeply sympathise with the Palestinians and if you're in a situation where there is no hope it's easy to see why organisations such as Hamas seem to offer hope. Israel and Palestine are caught in the same status quo that we had in Northern Ireland. Dialogue is the only way anything is going to change in Palestine. Rather than being critical of Corbyn he should be recognised as a visionary. He's not promoting terrorism, he's trying to get them to put down the gun and talk.
One thing that amuses me is that despite Corbyn winning overwhelmingly, the opinion of the voters is rejected by a lot of Labour MPs. What's the point in having elections if the views and preferences of voters are ignored if they don't corrospond to what the MPs.
The New Labour lot who are rejecting Corbyn should take a look at themselves and wonder why they are being wiped out.
That, surely, is sufficient to make Corbyn in the long run a good thing - the knowledge that the occasional policy and communication of what you stand for is important to win the trust of your electorate, be you left, right, or centre in your politics.Corbyn was only allowed to stand as the MP's thought they should have a token leftie. Unfortunately for them the membership decided Corbyn, who has no spin or gimmicks, was for them and not the bland auto robots who frankly performed dreadfully through the whole campaign.
That, surely, is sufficient to make Corbyn in the long run a good thing - the knowledge that the occasional policy and communication of what you stand for is important to win the trust of your electorate, be you left, right, or centre in your politics.
The peace process was a woeful act of appeasement. Try telling the "big picture" to the families of those killed in Warrington, Birmingham etc. Try telling that to the children who saw mothers dragged from their houses screaming in the night to have their heads blown off on an isolated beach. Appease the terrorist and more terrorists provide terror as a tactic to the appeaser.
As for Corbyn you totally miss the point or whoa "the big picture"
That is the U.S. and even the EU regard them as hostile. So no you don't have leaders of mainstream parties that engage in the conversations as you compromise your position with your allies.
The allied position is critical for national security. Corbyn's attitude to politics and in particular to the U.S. Is childish but ultimately dangerous.
No doubt Neville Chamberlain appreciated "the big picture" as well - thankfully the country got wise then to where appeasement ultimately gets you when negotiating with tyrants and terrorists.
The peace process is not an appeasement. I don't need to ask victims of Warrington or the Birmingham bombings, I'm from a family of victims (yes plural) from the actions of the IRA. The piece process has ensured that a Warrington or Birmingham doesn't happen again. You clearly have no understanding of what was happening on the ground in Northern Ireland and how it's changed for the better. I don't think there's been a year in my life when I haven't been to Northern Ireland at least once so I've seen it in every decade since 1973 and how it's changed from a militarised region of the world with no hope to the prosperous country it is today giving hope like generations before never dreamed possible. If that's what appeasement is then I'll take it every day of the week.
The world is not the black and white place you seem to think it is. There are grey area's of commonality that can only be found through dialogue. It's these grey areas where the foundation for piece is built and because someone is able to recognise this doesn't make them weak, it's a show of strength.
I disagree 100% and the catalysmic effect it had in the long term on our global standing regarding terrorists is the ultimate proof.
We will always disagree on this topic - so further discussion is futile.
Shall we expect the announcement soon he has signed for somebody?Chuka Umunna has left the shadow cabinet by mutual agreement.
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I must say the Tories are going to an awful lot of trouble to discredit a man they claim can't win an election in any case?
I would have thought if that was true they'd just remain silent?
They are silent - it's labour politicians that are saying he is not up to the job.
it's labour politicians that are saying he is not up to the job.
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