Skybluebeliever
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I think at the moment yes , we are still looking for a LWB but understudy for Bidwell . That could change closer to deadline and maatsen is still available
I think at the moment yes , we are still looking for a LWB but understudy for Bidwell . That could change closer to deadline and maatsen is still availableAre we completely ruling out a return for Maatsen?
One might be but not confirmed yet , so might end up loan onlyAny with a view to an option to sign do you know @Skybluebeliever?
I think there is healthy interest in all three still , Gyokeres is the most unlikely to go as we have priced him out of the market at the momentNixon reporting Burnley have moved on from O’Hare, that’s now him and Hamer who clubs don’t think are worth the money. Which leaves Gyokeres if we need to sell someone as skybluebeliever has said
Is it a case of one has to go to balance the books or will we still hold out for the price we’ve setI think there is healthy interest in all three still , Gyokeres is the most unlikely to go as we have priced him out of the market at the moment
I think one has to go unfortunately. We are primarily a selling club and we have not sold for a whileIs it a case of one has to go to balance the books or will we still hold out for the price we’ve set
Let's be honest if one goes the quality of the squad takes a step backwards. The owners should repay the wholly unnecessary interest they extracted in 2019 which would pay the rest of one of the big 3's contract.I think one has to go unfortunately. We are primarily a selling club and we have not sold for a while
I have no doubt we are a selling club but other factors surely contribute to the extent that we rely on that being our primary business model? We were a selling club when we were exiled in Northampton and when we had 8000 often disillusioned fans at the Ricoh.I think one has to go unfortunately. We are primarily a selling club and we have not sold for a while
I have no doubt we are a selling club but other factors surely contribute to the extent that we rely on that being our primary business model? We were a selling club when we were exiled in Northampton and when we had 8000 often disillusioned fans at the Ricoh.
The club are currently riding a feel good wave of fan emotion and have one of the better upward trajectories of all clubs in the football league, this optimism is evidenced by the record number of season tickets sales we have made for 2022/2023. Therefore unless the sale is for extremely good money and it is explicitly and publicly authorarised by Robins allowing him to sign 2 or 3 important players or put towards the stadium, that psychological contract will once again begin to be damaged.
Joy and Tim need to remember how toxic things were recently and if they want to cash in fine, but make it explicitly clear to the fans what the rationale is.
Fans want to trust Boddy when he says that the best way to back the club is buying season tickets in your thousands. But if they then do that as well as buying merchandise at record levels but all roads lead to the same place it is disheartening to say the least.
I really appreciate your insight and I am not having a go at you personally but I just perhaps stupidly hoped with us being so tangibly close last year, putting some of the best in the league to the sword (without that little bit of cutting edge) we would take a calculated gamble this summer and build on some exciting foundations.
Do you think the Max Bird links are real?I think one has to go unfortunately. We are primarily a selling club and we have not sold for a while
SBB said other signing this week is from a newly promoted side, we’ve been linked before so I don’t think who else it would beI doubt we’ll get Panzo as well as Doyle?
Can’t see us signing 2 young left centre backs on loan who have never played at this level. Forest and City would want some game time assurancesSBB said other signing this week is from a newly promoted side, we’ve been linked before so I don’t think who else it would be
That doesn’t make any sense, according to some on here he’s not even our best striker.Nixon reporting Burnley have moved on from O’Hare, that’s now him and Hamer who clubs don’t think are worth the money. Which leaves Gyokeres if we need to sell someone as skybluebeliever has said
Can you not just put some more money in Richard?I think one has to go unfortunately. We are primarily a selling club and we have not sold for a while
You seem to assume a 'calculated gamble' is a reckless move? Calculating/strategic gambles are ones that could pay large dividends. In the scenarios I describe either we go up (perhaps not probable) or ohare for example doubles his goals return early and therefore commands a higher free in January. We could just take the money, whatever that looks like now, but that could be short sighted."Calculated gambles" are a fools game. The club needs to run self sufficiently before anything else.
There are far too many fans with goldfish memories on here who have seemingly forgotten where spending money we don't have got us.
I'll be gutted to see a key player leave but that is the reality of where we stand currently... But give me striving in the Championship with stable foundations than gambling away our future with the risk of landing back in league 2
I have a feeling if we can ride out the post COVID finances and still have a competitive squad we will be miles ahead of loads of teams that are being overreaching themselves financially.
"Calculated gambles" are a fools game. The club needs to run self sufficiently before anything else.
There are far too many fans with goldfish memories on here who have seemingly forgotten where spending money we don't have got us.
I'll be gutted to see a key player leave but that is the reality of where we stand currently... But give me striving in the Championship with stable foundations than gambling away our future with the risk of landing back in league 2
I have a feeling if we can ride out the post COVID finances and still have a competitive squad we will be miles ahead of loads of teams that are being overreaching themselves financially.
Do you think the Max Bird links are real?
Gambling money we didn't have got us relegated from the PL."Calculated gambles" are a fools game. The club needs to run self sufficiently before anything else.
There are far too many fans with goldfish memories on here who have seemingly forgotten where spending money we don't have got us.
I'll be gutted to see a key player leave but that is the reality of where we stand... But give me striving in the Championship with stable foundations than gambling away our future with the risk of landing back in league 2
I have a feeling if we can ride out the post COVID finances and still have a competitive squad we will be miles ahead of loads of teams that are overreaching themselves financially.
If it’s gambling away our future to hold on to the threadbare squad we’ve got then we’re in the wrong business.
I suppose that depends on who we sell and how much we get. I'd like to think that if we got, say 8 million for Hamer, then perhaps 3 or 4 of that would be made available. Wishful thinking?We may well have enquired. I'd be very surprised if we could afford him though.
"Calculated gambles" are a fools game. The club needs to run self sufficiently before anything else.
There are far too many fans with goldfish memories on here who have seemingly forgotten where spending money we don't have got us.
I'll be gutted to see a key player leave but that is the reality of where we stand... But give me striving in the Championship with stable foundations than gambling away our future with the risk of landing back in league 2
I have a feeling if we can ride out the post COVID finances and still have a competitive squad we will be miles ahead of loads of teams that are overreaching themselves financially.
No chance, wages at best probablyI suppose that depends on who we sell and how much we get. I'd like to think that if we got, say 8 million for Hamer, then perhaps 3 or 4 of that would be made available. Wishful thinking?
I suppose that depends on who we sell and how much we get. I'd like to think that if we got, say 8 million for Hamer, then perhaps 3 or 4 of that would be made available. Wishful thinking?
It shouldn't be wishful thinking, but under this ownership, probably.I suppose that depends on who we sell and how much we get. I'd like to think that if we got, say 8 million for Hamer, then perhaps 3 or 4 of that would be made available. Wishful thinking?
I very much doubt we'll ever be in a position to spend those kind of fees on players under the current operation.
This current ownership will never fully back the manager and this teamIt shouldn't be wishful thinking, but under this ownership, probably.
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Here we go, over egging the pudding much?
The squad is fine, add a few loans for a little more depth and we have a better squad than plenty of teams in this league. Do you seriously not remember the dross we had only a few years ago?
Stop being so dramatic.
Gambling money we didn't have got us relegated from the PL.
Not replacing departing players got us relegated to L1.
Nobody is asking for us to gamble the future but for us to be able to reinvest some of the money we generate ourselves back into the team.
Sky blue eyes pal, absolute waffleIncredible this has even received likes to be honest.
No one is asking the club to put itself in financial jeopardy by spending hand over fist, they're simply asking for any outgoing player to be adequately replaced. Not for the recruitment department to be forced into attempting at performing minor miracles by identifying a suitable replacement with a small fraction of the fee that was received - or as has been inferred nothing more than the equivalent in wages from the outgoing player.
It's laughable how fans think the two are synonymous.
Yeah but the owners demonstrably have done that in the last 4-5 years. Every time we have sold a player someone new has come in and aost always been an upgrade. We just have a situation where there hasn't been a sale for a while so we can't go out and re-invest.Gambling money we didn't have got us relegated from the PL.
Not replacing departing players got us relegated to L1.
Nobody is asking for us to gamble the future but for us to be able to reinvest some of the money we generate ourselves back into the team.
Gambling money we didn't have got us relegated from the PL.
Not replacing departing players got us relegated to L1.
Nobody is asking for us to gamble the future but for us to be able to reinvest some of the money we generate ourselves back into the team.
We are not, we are just asking for some form of investment in keeping our best players or at least replacing them with a transfer feeBut we don't make money? We lose it and unfortunately that's the point.
Of course every fan would love it if we could spend 4/5 million of a 10 million sale but it's not a reality when we have lost more than that in past 2/3 years. So people are asking us to gamble with our future as it would just be adding to the debt.
TBF you're right, it didn't. We just spent a lot of it badly and it was one of a myriad of reasons that put is in the shit when we finally did come down.How exactly did gambling money we don’t have get us relegated?
A large chunk of those losses are very large interest rates charged by the owners. Remove them and we're in a lot more competitive position.But we don't make money? We lose it and unfortunately that's the point.
Of course every fan would love it if we could spend 4/5 million of a 10 million sale but it's not a reality when we have lost more than that in past 2/3 years. So people are asking us to gamble with our future as it would just be adding to the debt.
Have we not improved every year since MR took over? Have the owners not backed him?This current ownership will never fully back the manager and this team
Very sad
Have we not improved every year since MR took over? Have the owners not backed him?
If the backing is so poor why did MR and AV both sign new contracts?
Did MR ask for new training pitches? Have they been provided?
The reality is that our owners are doing what the can within their budgetry constraints, and as we have limited income from a ground we don't own, I think they've done OK in recent times, after previously making some poor decisions.
At least they appear to be learning.
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