Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (11 Viewers)

fatso · Jul 14, 2024

clint van damme said:
No chance. And it's not even his stance, it's the crackpot in the NRA who he'll appease.

I think there's definitely a case for banning public ownership of handguns at least.
(I know this debate has been done to death over the years in the USA)

There's always an argument to keep hunting rifles, but I can't see any argument for needing a hand gun that can be easily smuggled into a major public event or school etc.

I'm of the understanding that ALL modern type handguns are banned here in the UK.
And getting g caught in possession of one is an Imediate 5 year prison stay.

If this shooting doesn't focus the next President's mind on the issue then nothing will.

As I said, its a very old debate, but ive always thought that an assassination of a president is the only thing even likely to bring about any kind of change.

clint van damme · Jul 14, 2024

fatso said:
I think there's definitely a case for banning public ownership of handguns at least.
(I know this debate has been done to death over the years in the USA)

There's always an argument to keep hunting rifles, but I can't see any argument for needing a hand gun that can be easily smuggled into a major public event or school etc.

I'm of the understanding that ALL modern type handguns are banned here in the UK.
And getting g caught in possession of one is an Imediate 5 year prison stay.

If this shooting doesn't focus the next President's mind on the issue then nothing will.

As I said, its a very old debate, but ive always thought that an assassination of a president is the only thing even likely to bring about any kind of change.

I think it's one of the few issue on here where there's pretty much consensus with most in agreement there should be tighter gun controls in the US but the people of the US don't seem to agree!
If regular mass shootings in school don't change their minds I'm not sure the attempted assassination of an ex and potential future president will though it would be good if it did.

ajsccfc · Jul 14, 2024

With people in the crowd spotting the shooter before it all happened I could see it leaning the other way towards 'more good guys with guns could have stopped it'

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 14, 2024

ajsccfc said:
With people in the crowd spotting the shooter before it all happened I could see it leaning the other way towards 'more good guys with guns could have stopped it'

And worryingly, how the security of the state will be organised post election.

Liquid Gold · Jul 14, 2024

Giving a mentally unstable population access to unlimited firepower is, was and always will be incredibly dumb

djr8369 · Jul 14, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
And worryingly, how the security of the state will be organised post election.

It will be used to justify some of the policies they had planned anyway. No chance anything sensible like gun control comes from it

rob9872 · Jul 14, 2024

I've just seen the footage. I can't believe how calmly everyone sits there. At that point you don't know if it's one idiot or a group will be firing into the crowds, but everyone sits back down or gets their camera out, nobody tries to run away. I'd have got out of there as quick as I could.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 14, 2024

fatso said:
I think there's definitely a case for banning public ownership of handguns at least.
(I know this debate has been done to death over the years in the USA)

There's always an argument to keep hunting rifles, but I can't see any argument for needing a hand gun that can be easily smuggled into a major public event or school etc.

I'm of the understanding that ALL modern type handguns are banned here in the UK.
And getting g caught in possession of one is an Imediate 5 year prison stay.

If this shooting doesn't focus the next President's mind on the issue then nothing will.

As I said, its a very old debate, but ive always thought that an assassination of a president is the only thing even likely to bring about any kind of change.

It hasn’t on any of the other occasions.

djr8369 · Jul 14, 2024

rob9872 said:
I've just seen the footage. I can't believe how calmly everyone sits there. At that point you don't know if it's one idiot or a group will be firing into the crowds, but everyone sits back down or gets their camera out, nobody tries to run away. I'd have got out of there as quick as I could.

Possibly why some reports initially said it was fireworks?

Como · Jul 14, 2024

I see we are at Stage 4 TDS, that did not take long.

Anyway here is a fairly good breakdown of the incident by Ryan McBeth.

Initial thoughts about the Attempted Assassination on President Trump

Not a chance YouTube will let me talk about this

open.substack.com

So my Hunting Rifle is chambered in .308, what the shooter was using has not been mentioned. And I sight in for 200yds, there is very little drop at that range for the weight I use, well any in .308. I remember a chance I had at nearer 400 yds, I paced it out later, and I would have missed by a long way as I had not thought of shooting at that range and would have not aimed correctly, just as well I let it go.

But of course there are other factors, I have never heard of Elk shooting back and he must have known this was a one way trip.

This was a relatively simple shot, well within an average shooters capability on a range, more complicated if you were going for a head shot. Quite how the fact you would be dead within a few seconds of pulling the trigger factors in I have no idea.

PVA · Jul 14, 2024

rob9872 said:
I've just seen the footage. I can't believe how calmly everyone sits there. At that point you don't know if it's one idiot or a group will be firing into the crowds, but everyone sits back down or gets their camera out, nobody tries to run away. I'd have got out of there as quick as I could.

The strangest thing for me is that after he nearly gets shot in the head they pick him up and let him stand there in the open... right in the spot where he just nearly got shot in the head.

And no, I'm not suggesting it was fake before anyone says so.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 14, 2024

When Trump stood up he raised his fist and either shouted " fight" or " fuck" .
What a wanker . The world wouldn't have been any worse off without him.

djr8369 · Jul 14, 2024

PVA said:
The strangest thing for me is that after he nearly gets shot in the head they pick him up and let him stand there in the open... right in the spot where he just nearly got shot in the head.

And no, I'm not suggesting it was fake before anyone says so.

I can’t imagine it was staged but the whole thing seems stranger than fiction.

Sky_Blue_Daz · Jul 14, 2024

Do you think his security team shouted Donald Duck

Sick Boy · Jul 14, 2024

PVA said:
The strangest thing for me is that after he nearly gets shot in the head they pick him up and let him stand there in the open... right in the spot where he just nearly got shot in the head.

And no, I'm not suggesting it was fake before anyone says so.

They’d have been the ones getting shot though. They probably didn’t appreciate his “fight, fight, fight” stuff though.

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 14, 2024

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
When Trump stood up he raised his fist and either shouted " fight" or " fuck" .
What a wanker . The world wouldn't have been any worse off without him.

Fight fight fight

Terry_dactyl · Jul 14, 2024

Out of curiosity I just looked how many president/presidential candidate assassination attempts there have been.
There’s been A LOT.
So this is Just keeping up a proud American tradition.

MalcSB · Jul 14, 2024

How do you identify an unknown individual using DNA unless they already have a criminal record?

Liquid Gold · Jul 14, 2024

MalcSB said:
How do you identify an unknown individual using DNA unless they already have a criminal record?

Family donors?

duffer · Jul 14, 2024

Como said:
I see we are at Stage 4 TDS, that did not take long.

Anyway here is a fairly good breakdown of the incident by Ryan McBeth.

Initial thoughts about the Attempted Assassination on President Trump

Not a chance YouTube will let me talk about this

open.substack.com

So my Hunting Rifle is chambered in .308, what the shooter was using has not been mentioned. And I sight in for 200yds, there is very little drop at that range for the weight I use, well any in .308. I remember a chance I had at nearer 400 yds, I paced it out later, and I would have missed by a long way as I had not thought of shooting at that range and would have not aimed correctly, just as well I let it go.

But of course there are other factors, I have never heard of Elk shooting back and he must have known this was a one way trip.

This was a relatively simple shot, well within an average shooters capability on a range, more complicated if you were going for a head shot. Quite how the fact you would be dead within a few seconds of pulling the trigger factors in I have no idea.

I'm no expert on this, but I think the fact that you're probably about to die would impact most untrained shooter's fine motor control. And probably a lot of well-trained ones too.

Anyway, AR-15, the reports are saying. I'm guessing he didn't have the Republican approved bump stock fitted, or it might have been an awful lot worse.

Murphy: The Only Reason You Need A Bump Stock Is To Engage In Mass Murder | U.S. Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut

WASHINGTON—U.S. Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) on Tuesday spoke on the U.S. Senate floor after Senate Republicans objected to passing by unanimous...

www.murphy.senate.gov

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 14, 2024

At these rallies why do they seat a bank of audience behind the rostrum.? . all they can see is the back of the candidate
Is it to try and put off a potential sniper who, as in this case, runs the risk of shooting a member of the public .

MalcSB · Jul 14, 2024

Liquid Gold said:
Family donors?

They said he had no ID on him, so not sure where they find his family. Unless he already had a criminal conviction,

OffenhamSkyBlue · Jul 14, 2024

I have a friend whose son is in the US military - says it was definitely an inside job. There is no way the Secret Service would have let an unsub get into that position, especially when people in the crowd were telling local law enforcement that they could see him crawling onto the roof 5 minutes before.
Definite echoes of the grassy knoll and Lee Harvey Oswald.

CCFCSteve · Jul 15, 2024

This is mental really

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 15, 2024

CCFCSteve said:
This is mental really

That's terrible! It'd be easy to go down a rabbit hole of conspiracy but fortunately(?) I can believe the police would be that hopeless!

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Jul 15, 2024

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Why even bring it up? Can’t you just show some compassion or relief for the fact that trump is still alive? It’s clear what your trying to do and say but you’ll never admit it

All rational people including this poster, denounce CH riots and the Trump assassination attempt. You are perpetually dumb/dim as fcuk and for some reason consistently wet the bed whenever some on here criticises the actions of US republicans.

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Jul 15, 2024

Como said:
I see we are at Stage 4 TDS, that did not take long.

Anyway here is a fairly good breakdown of the incident by Ryan McBeth.

Initial thoughts about the Attempted Assassination on President Trump

Not a chance YouTube will let me talk about this

open.substack.com

So my Hunting Rifle is chambered in .308, what the shooter was using has not been mentioned. And I sight in for 200yds, there is very little drop at that range for the weight I use, well any in .308. I remember a chance I had at nearer 400 yds, I paced it out later, and I would have missed by a long way as I had not thought of shooting at that range and would have not aimed correctly, just as well I let it go.

But of course there are other factors, I have never heard of Elk shooting back and he must have known this was a one way trip.

This was a relatively simple shot, well within an average shooters capability on a range, more complicated if you were going for a head shot. Quite how the fact you would be dead within a few seconds of pulling the trigger factors in I have no idea.

Weird analysis stating the obvious and some broad assumptions. Brutal response from a US poster caught my eye.....

Michael Gregory
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This is absolutely because of Trump’s own behavior cultivating exactly what he wanted to cultivate but this time it was aimed at him. He’s a rapist, felon, and traitorous insurrectionist. He’s a leader of stochastic terrorism and has been playing “I’m not touching you” games to elicit responses. The assassin is to blame for the death and damage, and Trump is to blame for creating the political and social climate for violence. Calling for violence for protesters/rally disrupters, extrajudicial executions, other forms of “let’s hurt them” type of attitude. I’ve been expecting this to happen for a long time and am not at all surprised by these events. Anyone who has been paying attention shouldn’t be surprised by this tragedy. Trump isn’t just a victim, he’s complicit in his own injuries and the death and damage of the other victims. Fuck Trump. I hope he never gets assassinated so he experiences the horrors of deteriorating from his obesity, overall poor health, and drug abuse. I hope he lives another 20 miserable, decrepit years. The extremism of the right is on display with dangerous individuals making threats on air by saying “the revolution will remain bloodless as long as the left allows it to be.” They are literally playing the “I’m not touching you” game to elicit responses to then point to as justification for their immoral desires and as twisted vindication for propane they’ve been pushing.
I will never implicitly trust a democrat, but I know will always actively distrust a republican. They’re self serving, stupid, and/or morally incompetent. Any altruism from the right is transactional and conditional. The right is much more homogenous than the left and so it’s much easier to lob simplistic statements and risk making generalizations. Now, though, the majority of republicans have behaved in a way that I can safely designated Republicans as default bad-faith participants in any discussion or debate until proven otherwise. It’s no longer fallacious to generalize the party and its supporters in this way.

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 15, 2024

ajsccfc said:
With people in the crowd spotting the shooter before it all happened I could see it leaning the other way towards 'more good guys with guns could have stopped it'

Can’t believe no one managed to stop it

Como · Jul 15, 2024

This has sort of being covered, did not realize it was so widespread.

Como · Jul 15, 2024

duffer said:
I'm no expert on this, but I think the fact that you're probably about to die would impact most untrained shooter's fine motor control. And probably a lot of well-trained ones too.

Anyway, AR-15, the reports are saying. I'm guessing he didn't have the Republican approved bump stock fitted, or it might have been an awful lot worse.

Murphy: The Only Reason You Need A Bump Stock Is To Engage In Mass Murder | U.S. Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut

WASHINGTON—U.S. Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) on Tuesday spoke on the U.S. Senate floor after Senate Republicans objected to passing by unanimous...

www.murphy.senate.gov

That was my thought, well it certainly would impact me, those who are about to die salute you.

AR 15 type, I have not seen any mention in what it was chambered in, and using a .223 would seem likely but an odd choice.

Bump stock, well then you would spray and praying, not something that would be a good idea in this sort of case.

djr8369 · Jul 15, 2024

Como said:
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This has sort of being covered, did not realize it was so widespread.

Asssume it’s just initial reports before facts were known?

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 15, 2024

Como said:
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This has sort of being covered, did not realize it was so widespread.

This is what happens when expecting news outlets to react instantly, whilst also expecting them to be impartial and not to jump to conclusions until verified.

Blame 24 hour news

Como · Jul 15, 2024

Classified Docs case dismissed, not a good time for the Dems.

Sick Boy · Jul 15, 2024

Como said:
Classified Docs case dismissed, not a good time for the Dems.

Dismissed by a Trump appointed judge. The world’s leader of democracy.

Flying Fokker · Jul 15, 2024

. Interesting take on the events of the last few days,

Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (11 Viewers)

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