Grendel
Well-Known Member
It’s funny you seem perplexed Trump won the election. The like of self awareness is astonishing
Remind me how many convictions your hero had?
I’m not perplexed that he won. Dismayed yes, but think I understand why.It’s funny you seem perplexed Trump won the election. The like of self awareness is astonishing
Pardoned for those crimes he's pled guilty to. He better not be hiding anything else. Sure Trump's prosecutors will be seeing what else they can findWith his pardon of son Hunter, Joe Biden delivers a heartfelt hypocrisy
The president and supporters argue Hunter Biden would never have been charged were it not for his name – and any father might have done the same. But this exercise of power also looks like a validation of Donald Trumpwww.theguardian.com
I am not surprised at all that Hunter has been pardoned. No one I know was expecting him to spend a day in jail.
Just to be clear he did not pardon him for the 2 crimes he was awaiting sentencing on, he pardoned him for everything.
No he was pardoned for everything between the dates.Pardoned for those crimes he's pled guilty to. He better not be hiding anything else. Sure Trump's prosecutors will be seeing what else they can find
C'mon @Como and @SIR ERNIE, dead simple question, are you against presidential pardons or not?
I'd hate for you to be wrongly thought of as hypocrites. Gosh would that be embarrassing.
Set the record straight, eh. It's a really easy question...
Against
Excellent. So you'll clearly be against Trump pardoning people for far worse gun offences and corruption than Hunter Biden has committed then, presumably?
(There's a handy list here, if you've forgotten some of them...)
Trump pardons Steve Bannon along with dozens of others in final hours in office
Bannon, Trump's former chief strategist, was charged with defrauding hundreds of thousands of donors to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.www.nbcnews.com
Yeah. If you're a god, you have a little bit of a giggle over it.Depends on who's perspective you see it from I suppose.
Only federal crimes.No he was pardoned for everything between the dates.
Rep. Greg Stanton (D., Ariz.) said, “I respect President Biden, but I think he got this one wrong. This wasn’t a politically motivated prosecution. Hunter committed felonies, and was convicted by a jury of his peers.
Well yes that is what a President can do.Only federal crimes.
Getting upset about this is a bit ironic given that an actual convict will be in office in a few months.For those offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024, including but not limited to all offenses charged or prosecuted (including any that have resulted in convictions) by Special Counsel David C. Weiss in Docket No. 1:23-cr-00061-MN in the United States District Court for the District of Delaware and Docket No. 2:23-CR-00599-MCS-1 in the United States District Court for the Central District of California.
It’s a ridiculous legal anachronism that no civilised country should allow.Presidential pardons are fine so long as there is no conflict of interests so friends or family would be off limits
Do we still have royal pardons in this country? Genuinely don’t know.It’s a ridiculous legal anachronism that no civilised country should allow.
Quite possibly - it would obviously be an outrage if they were used today.Do we still have royal pardons in this country? Genuinely don’t know.
Presidential pardons are fine so long as there is no conflict of interests so friends or family would be off limits
Yep best case it wouldn’t be a thing at allNot really - its the type of thing you would get in a Banana republic or a dictatorship
A dictatorship is what they will soon have in all but name. It’s hard to understate just how dangerous it isNot really - its the type of thing you would get in a Banana republic or a dictatorship
I’m sure you’re wrong I read on x that we completely misunderstand Mr TrumpA dictatorship is what they will soon have in all but name. It’s hard to understate just how dangerous it is
Even if he is benevolent, the far right will control the SC, both sections of Congress and the presidency. Democrats need to win quite a few races in 2026 to wrest some control back.I’m sure you’re wrong I read on x that we completely misunderstand Mr Trump
Yeah. If you're a god, you have a little bit of a giggle over it.
Probably good for hardware stores too.
What sort of country allows people to buy guns before they can buy alcoholBoth Biden and Trump are a disgrace. What sort of democratic country allows something like that to happen?
I don’t disagree.What sort of country allows people to buy guns before they can buy alcohol
Trump will be pardoning himself soon enough. His reaction to Boden is faux outrage and hypocrisy.Excellent. So you'll clearly be against Trump pardoning people for far worse gun offences and corruption than Hunter Biden has committed then, presumably?
(There's a handy list here, if you've forgotten some of them...)
Trump pardons Steve Bannon along with dozens of others in final hours in office
Bannon, Trump's former chief strategist, was charged with defrauding hundreds of thousands of donors to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.www.nbcnews.com
America is a basket case.What sort of country allows people to buy guns before they can buy alcohol
Well, you can lie on your cv and still end up as Chancellor here.At least we know if you lie on your Gun application you will be pardoned.
Not sure how the Dems will now play this.
BTW to buy a 6 pack of shandly your Drivers License will be swiped, to vote not needed as that would be racist.
Surely the primary reason to swipe for voting would be age verification. That’s entirely reasonable.At least we know if you lie on your Gun application you will be pardoned.
Not sure how the Dems will now play this.
BTW to buy a 6 pack of shandly your Drivers License will be swiped, to vote not needed as that would be racist.
Well you're going to have a lot to complain about in a month or two. Not counting the pardons Trump gave in his first term.Against
To vote not needed because voter fraud is essentially non existent.At least we know if you lie on your Gun application you will be pardoned.
Not sure how the Dems will now play this.
BTW to buy a 6 pack of shandly your Drivers License will be swiped, to vote not needed as that would be racist.
“Deserves some punishment”.Well you're going to have a lot to complain about in a month or two. Not counting the pardons Trump gave in his first term.
I fundamentally disagree with Biden's decision, but I think he was caught between a rock and a hard place. I think he could see that his son could be at the mercy of Trump and his cronies in the judicial system and get absolutely shanked, so wanted to protect his son from what would likely be disproportionate punishment.
However, he does deserve some punishment and the decision to pardon him has basically just given Trump open season to do the same, but on a far larger scale, and every time just shout 'Biden'.
It was a lesser of two evils and I think he's chosen the wrong one because his desire to protect his son has come before the danger he has put the whole country in by doing so.
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