Brighton Sky Blue
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You’re lauding Trump as a peacemaker. The truth is really you’re just pleased he has taken Putin’s side in the matter.
You’re lauding Trump as a peacemaker. The truth is really you’re just pleased he has taken Putin’s side in the matter.Where has that anything to do with what I have just said?
Let’s not forget he was bragging about bombing Somalia last month too.Come on bsb no one else is bothering to talk to anyone it’s just trump and Vance with the ideas
I mean even forgetting Obama had already decided against a mineral deal as it wouldn’t be cost effective for the USA
I am not lauding anyone - I am just making a factually accurate statementYou’re lauding Trump as a peacemaker. The truth is really you’re just pleased he has taken Putin’s side in the matter.
Perhaps you should be wondering why no one before was bothered about finding a solution
I mean grendel is not wrong and neither is trump we should be pursuing peace at almost any costMaybe you should be wondering why no one before took sides with Putin (well, apart from North Korea and Co)
Maybe you should be wondering why no one before took sides with Putin (well, apart from North Korea and Co)
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I can't believe how easy the ignorant public want a perpetual war.
I see a group of European leaders are now talking up rearming, weapons manufacturers will benefit tremendously.
Zelensky still seems keen.No one wants war literally not one person
No one wants war literally not one person
I mean grendel is not wrong and neither is trump we should be pursuing peace at almost any cost
But seemingly taking putins side - zelensky dictator, not interested in peace etc etc is just not right it’s not a just peace
Of course, everyone wants peace and as soon as possible.
It's just some people think giving in to Putin means peace, I don't think it does.
Peace could have been had in weeks after the Russian invasion without US and European support. Of course Ukraine would have been defeated, but still.I am not lauding anyone - I am just making a factually accurate statement
Only if you don’t listen to what he saysZelensky still seems keen.
How would you know Grendel?How will you achieve peace? Why has no one come close to achieving it in 3 years?
Peace could have been had in weeks after the Russian invasion without US and European support. Of course Ukraine would have been defeated, but still.
It’s the military stalemate that has forced Putin to the table. A peace that turns Ukraine into an American vassal state and doesn’t actually prevent a future invasion is a strange way of treating a state that isn’t the aggressor
How would you know Grendel?
mat what point in the Second World War should the uk have capitulated
Course it isIs this a serious conversation - come on
It doesn't matter what he says, he has to go with whatever the USA and Russia agree, so will Europe.Only if you don’t listen to what he says
Course it is
At what point do you think the uk should have capitulated in the Second World War?
It’s mighty fine you telling ukraine when they should give their country up
Good fuckin job that the USA stepped in when they did rather than expecting us to lay down arms
It doesn't matter what he says, he has to go with whatever the USA and Russia agree
No he doesn't. He can flat out refuse both if he gets guarantees from Europe.
I wasn’t bornI have always said Ukraine has a right to defend itself. Zelensky has made zero effort to end this war through negotiation - he even said he would send his people to die until Crimea was recovered.
It is on him. To compare this spat to WW2 is ludicrous.
Out of interest when Stalin starting invading the Eastern Block after WW2 would you have had the same outrage and wanted WW3?
So for nearly 3 years the US benefited from a conflict it now wants to settle?It was always going to be a vessel state - the US does nothing without a benefit for itself whoever is in charge.
The facts appear to be…
- Ukraine cannot continue to fight the war or even defend themselves properly, without significant U.S assistance
- Europes inaction over recent years to increase defence spending/capacity has left a reliance on U.S.
- The U.S. has no skin in the game really, this is on our doorstep, not theirs
- Trump is anti war
- The minerals deal was pretty much agreed and just needed signing - my understanding is this relates to future support not historical
- Zelensky should’ve gone with an interpreter - I heard someone on the radio who made a great point about it making sure there was no misunderstandings but more importantly it would’ve taken heat out of situation
- Trump and even more so, Vance’s, conduct in public in that way was totally unacceptable...however, we still need the US onside and to remain in NATO for at least the foreseeable future.
I still think a deal will be done. I just hope that at least some of trumps actions/words have been done to get Putin to the table and that any ‘deal’ doesn’t just hand over everything Putin wants.
Totally agree.No one has taken sides.
Trump has spoken to Putin. Oddly you have to speak to people and negotiate. Shock horror.
Zelensky still seems keen.
Totally agree.
Does seem Trump bought everything that Putin told him though.
Immediately after that meeting, Trump said that Ukraine started the war and that Zelenskyy was a dictator.
So Trump believed someone who IS a dictator, telling him that the person who isn't a dictator, is a dictator.
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I can't believe how easy the ignorant public want a perpetual war.
I see a group of European leaders are now talking up rearming, weapons manufacturers will benefit tremendously.
Good question. I'm not sure.Has he ever said anything bad about putin ?
Has he ever said anything bad about putin ?
So for nearly 3 years the US benefited from a conflict it now wants to settle?
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