shmmeee
Well-Known Member
*Don Fired Night
Anyone wanna troll the Trump lot with the fireworks over hear and say it's us celebrating him being ousted? They're not going to know different are they. We could call it Bonfired Night.
No you're right, all hail Biden, the electoral genius who bombed two campaigns and had the higher ups win the third. Let's see how things are in 4 years' time.
Yes they are the facts at the end of day, but the gerrymandering was so fucking obvious. Bernie stormed ahead, they pull out 2 candidates to boost Biden and then leave Warren in just long enough to split the progressive vote so much that it delivers the fatal blow to Bernie.
Not what I’ve ever said, but ok.
Nobody forced people to vote for Biden when it was just him against Bernie. No doubt there were party shenanigans that conspired against Bernie. But this idea that the DNC somehow Jedi mind tricked millions of Dems into voting for a senile vegetable over a candidate who they actually really preferred (but just didn’t know it) is so bizarre.
I’m not saying it’s Jedi mind tricks, just simple sabotage. On any ‘side’ there will always be a range of candidates that take a certain portion. The other candidates that occupy similar political space as Biden were pulled quickly and decisively to shore up Biden. Warren who would occupy the space between Biden and Sanders was left in the race just long enough for it to be fatal to the Sanders campaign.Not what I’ve ever said, but ok.
Nobody forced people to vote for Biden when it was just him against Bernie. No doubt there were party shenanigans that conspired against Bernie. But this idea that the DNC somehow Jedi mind tricked millions of Dems into voting for a senile vegetable over a candidate who they actually really preferred (but just didn’t know it) is so bizarre.
I’m not saying it’s Jedi mind tricks, just simple sabotage. On any ‘side’ there will always be a range of candidates that take a certain portion. The other candidates that occupy similar political space as Biden were pulled quickly and decisively to shore up Biden. Warren who would occupy the space between Biden and Sanders was left in the race just long enough for it to be fatal to the Sanders campaign.
According to the Trump campaigns mathematician there’s over three hundred thousand and thirty four nine hundred and seventy four thousand illegal votes in Pennsylvania.
Obama warned him not to run last year, which should tell you a lot. The polls showed people were choosing Biden because they thought he would be more likely to beat Trump. They also showed people voted for Biden this election most of all because he wasn't Trump.
So then you look at why people thought Biden was 'more electable' and you look at the age groups he dominated with, the over 50s. They get their news mostly from the established TV networks and newspapers, who would obviously much rather have a corporatist in office than a progressive. Without the intervention of senior Democrats, Klobuchar and Buttigieg stay in the race and Bernie's strategy of targeting 30-40% in every state wins.
The wafer thin majorities he has secured in many states will be lost if he fundamentally changes nothing, which is what he has pledged many many times.
I’m not saying it’s Jedi mind tricks, just simple sabotage. On any ‘side’ there will always be a range of candidates that take a certain portion. The other candidates that occupy similar political space as Biden were pulled quickly and decisively to shore up Biden. Warren who would occupy the space between Biden and Sanders was left in the race just long enough for it to be fatal to the Sanders campaign.
So he’s have to rely on the vote being split to get in on a minority just in his own party?
You can moan about the Boomers but their vote is both worth as much as anyone else’s and more reliably turns out.
This is the same wishful thinking nonsense that plagued the Corbyn campaigns. Deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Do you think the likes of the Lincoln Project would’ve been as effective or even existed under Sanders? Not a chance. It’d have been the U.K. 2019 GE all over again as the centre right go for the right wing loon over the left wing one.
One for everyone who downplays Biden winning
Wow do you teach history? Hope notRight so the issue people had with Trump wasn't his shit policies, it was him being rude on Twitter? Biden will continue to do nothing to fundamentally change anything, but that's OK because he has more decorum? And Biden is oozing in corruption himself, sexual assault allegations that don't seem to matter when it's a Democrat, a former advocate of segregation and supporter of the crime bill that saw needless numbers of black men put in prison.
Trump happened because Obama and Biden wasted their 8 years.
Wow do you teach history? Hope not
NO HE DOESN’T. HE’S A VERY STABLE GENIUS........Just seen some of Trump's tweets.
Fuck me, the bloke needs to be sectioned.
What have I said that's incorrect?
All of it
You fail (on purpose I believe) to understand what he said. He wasn't talking about fucking twitter he was talking about 2 things:
1) the very real fear that a lot of non white Americans live in and the fact that will lift when Trump is not in control of the apparatus of state and the federal agencies.
Obama and Biden actually outperformed Trump on deportations and introduced the famous cages that were falsely attributed to Trump.
2) The fact that decency and humanity won, the fact you can be a decent person and win.
Sexual Assault allegations? Yes that were deemed in the balance of probabilities to be untrue (for example there was no alcove in the corridor were she claimed he pushed he into an alcove)
There are countless videos of him inappropriately touching people and invading their personal space. I guess the difference is the 'believe all women' line doesn't apply if you're making an accusation against the Democratic candidate.
Corruption? I guess you are talking about Hunter Biden were the only evidence is a blind computer repairman with an truly weird story
A former supporter of segregation? Fuck off and watch his speech from the 1980s were he roasts the Reagan administration for there attempts to work with the South African regime.
He in fact was strongly opposed to desegregation measures in the 1970s around school bussing. His own VP famously called him out on it during the primary.
The crime bill was flawed but your hero Sanders also has a dodgy voting history on things like gun control. I'll also tell you who seems to have forgive the crime bill? The black population who voted for in the primaries.
I suppose we could play voting top trumps on the two of them if you like. Might be here a while but don't think it'll end well.
So while Biden isn't perfect candidate and who really is it's a fucking big day for America now he has won as witnessed by the partyuing that is going on.
You sound like the embittered Corbynites who would rather tories rule than praise a moderate.
Obama says he’d be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s
Obama said he thinks few people believe he wants to impose socialism on the country.thehill.com
He didn't say he was an 80s Republican, he said his economic policies would be seen as moderate republican in the 1980s compared to the republicans calling him a socialist. It was a comment on the current state of US political discourse and the US Overton window.
Basically your whole argument seems to be based on the misunderstanding of a quote.
Being seen as an economic 1980s Republican is still nothing to get excited about and the shifting of the Overton window there to the right is a consequence of the Democrats, including Obama and Biden, always trying to meet the Republicans half way and inching themselves further right.
They had a super majority, the presidency and waves of popular support in Obama's early years. The best thing they did with it was Mitt Romney's healthcare plan. My thoughts on this are a bit more deep rooted than a quote. Taking Biden as a vastly inferior and more socially conservative version of Obama it's not hard to see how his presidency will go.
You really don't get the quote do you? You also don't seem to understand the post ware consensus were Republican and Democrat (an in the UK Labour and Tory) economic policies were not to different and were shaped on both sides by things like Bretton Woods and John Maynard Keynes. Up until the rise of the Neo Cons the republicans were Keynesian as well.
This is is what Obama is talking about, not that he is right wing.
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