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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's interesting.
Outbreaks of gun violence primarily against the Govt could be a precursor to stricter gun control.
This is a Supreme Court that has held one of the primary functions of the Constitution is to ensure the supremacy of democracy. Armed assaults on that won't go down well. Also a Court recently that has ruled pretty much in line with public opinion. The new appointment of Barrett may though change things.
It's also a Court now faced with a genuine threat of reform in both the number of justices and how they are appointed.

Problem is second amendment nutters argue for guns because they protect against government tyranny. Which is nonsense, the US has the most obscene military in history, your semi automatic won’t take down a drone or a tank. But they will say it backs up their argument for having them.

The root cause is the NRA buying out the Republicans and getting a block on any restrictions whatsoever.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s the swamp though isn’t it’s they’re all against the people is the argument. To be fair I have sympathy with that opinion when I look at how self serving our government is

Not saying I want to storm Parliament or I don’t have huge admiration for those who serve the public (they are paid well) for their whole career.

I don’t like seeing war criminals like George W Bush put on a pedestal just because Trump is the worst of all time

 

[tisza]

Problem is second amendment nutters argue for guns because they protect against government tyranny. Which is nonsense, the US has the most obscene military in history, your semi automatic won’t take down a drone or a tank. But they will say it backs up their argument for having them.

The root cause is the NRA buying out the Republicans and getting a block on any restrictions whatsoever.

The counter is if the events of the 6th (by a largely unarmed crowd) have generally been labelled an"insurrection" how would armed issues in multiple sites be seen?
Second amendment could be seen as the right to arms for defense , not offense against a democratically elected govt. Supreme Court shown no interest in disputing the legality of the election.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The counter is if the events of the 6th (by a largely unarmed crowd) have generally been labelled an"insurrection" how would armed issues in multiple sites be seen?
Second amendment could be seen as the right to arms for defense , not offense against a democratically elected govt. Supreme Court shown no interest in disputing the legality of the election.

You and I know that, but these are people who think there is a conspiracy to deny them Trump

 

[hill83]

It's almost 3rd world. This is what wouldn't surprise you in unstable democracies or those where the military is normally involved in the selection of govts.

Third would country with a Gucci belt.

 

[SBT]

One Senator inside the Capitol said when she was told to evacuate, she first assumed it was an Iranian attack. Goes to show how messed up some people's fears are when there's literally a mob of right-wing lunatics down the street and you still assume it's the Muslims who are most likely coming to get you.

 

[David O'Day]

That'll hurt the trumo grift coffers

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Capitol riots: Trump says his speech was totally appropriate

The US president is facing impeachment for inciting insurrection before last week's Capitol riot.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[David O'Day]

Unlucky Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Jared

 

[clint van damme]

Unlucky Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Jared

Said for ages Kushner would go under the bus.

 

[hill83]

Unlucky Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Jared

Ha ha. He’s such a little bitch

 

[chiefdave]

Its playground stuff. Would be hilarious if the consequences of his actions weren't so dangerous.

 

[skybluetony176]

Piers Morgan's guide to fleeing a sinking ship

READY to put some distance between yourself and the shitstorm you enabled? Let me Piers Morgan, the irritant in Susanna Reid’s peripheral vision, tell you how.

www.thedailymash.co.uk

 

[tisza]

Unlucky Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Jared

So no-one is really surprised that again it's all about me,me,me,me. Really are like a child's tantrums.
Civil lawsuits are a bitch. Those various sex cases etc. lined up and ready to go as soon as he loses the protection of Office.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It's almost 3rd world. This is what wouldn't surprise you in unstable democracies or those where the military is normally involved in the selection of govts.

Indeed, was just going to post similar. America bringing democracy to the third world usually. Do me a favour.

 

[SBAndy]

Indeed, was just going to post similar. America bringing democracy to the third world usually. Do me a favour.

I remember when I was a youngster (only talking about 15 years ago) how America was seemingly revered by all. The last 5 years or so has really opened my eyes. A vile country with little morals and a real-life demonstration of why absolute free market capitalism should never arrive on these shores.

 

[ovduk78]

Trump impeachment: Several Republicans to join Democrats in House vote

Some Republicans say they will join Democrats and vote to charge the president with inciting insurrection.

www.bbc.co.uk

It looks like some Republicans will support the impeachment in order to ban Trump from standing again, there are hopefully enough who can see the damage that Trump has done to their party.

 

[Otis]

Trump impeachment: Several Republicans to join Democrats in House vote

Some Republicans say they will join Democrats and vote to charge the president with inciting insurrection.

www.bbc.co.uk

It looks like some Republicans will support the impeachment in order to ban Trump from standing again, there are hopefully enough who can see the damage that Trump has done to their party.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Self interest of others may yet see him out.

Capitol attack prompts top US firms to pull funding for leading Republicans

Companies such as Citigroup, Marriott and Blue Cross Blue Shield are deserting lawmakers who backed Trump’s bid to overturn Biden’s victory

www.theguardian.com

 

[Terry_dactyl]

I remember when I was a youngster (only talking about 15 years ago) how America was seemingly revered by all. The last 5 years or so has really opened my eyes. A vile country with little morals and a real-life demonstration of why absolute free market capitalism should never arrive on these shores.

I agree with the 2nd part but can’t agree that it’s a vile country.
There are some wonderful places and some wonderful people there.
They have a written constitution (which is more than we have - freedom of speech actually exists over there!) and although it seems to have lost its way, those founding it have given it a go.
Not sure I’d want to live there though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I see the analogies are being drawn about Goebbels, and repeating the big lie.

Some might say that's OTT, but it's very important, I feel. There's a lot of whatabboutery, a lot of other groups are just as bad, but what this current episode highlights is the need to speak out against liers like Trump, Cruz, Hawley...

It's the duty of people to call out falsehoods, to point out that actually everybody *isn't* just as bad, and there's a very real difference between being called to action because you are being oppressed, and a call to action off the back of a power-crazed deviant narcissist. If impeaching Trump provokes more violence, it will not be because it isn't the right thing to do. The country needs to show that actions have consequences, and the right of people to protest against an enemy of them is not the same as the right of people to openly incite violence and death because they don't like something.

The disgusting way that there are attempts to compare to other groups, to BLM protests, needs to be called out. This is a willed attempt by the so-called leader of the so-called free world to subvert those principles that have everybody as equal. If we cannot accept that this is far beyond protest where a small minority cross the line (and of course they should be punished) then we encourage the continued maginalisation of groups, to the dtriment of a spoiled ego of a man-child who should lose his fortune, on the back of his actions.

There should be consequences.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

As an aside, this keeps popping up, and is worth sharing (again)

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

As an aside, this keeps popping up, and is worth sharing (again)

Why, for its delusion?

 

[tisza]

I agree with the 2nd part but can’t agree that it’s a vile country.
There are some wonderful places and some wonderful people there.
They have a written constitution (which is more than we have - freedom of speech actually exists over there!) and although it seems to have lost its way, those founding it have given it a go.
Not sure I’d want to live there though.

The problem with their constitution is that it was written for another time.
Much like building a religion on the Ten Commandments. Or other religions basing themselves so firmly on tenets laid down a very long time ago. Everything needs to have some flexibility to move with the times. A document written by "imperfect" people shouldn't be considered inviolate.
2nd amendment was added with the War of Independence still fresh in the memory. They would never have envisioned the "hardware" available citizens have access to now.
The premise of freedom of speech never foresaw the tidal wave of what has come through the Internet and social media in particular. Does it exist when it came be severely curtailed by corporations? Whatever the morality/ethics of Parler are should corporations be able to shut them down?

 

[tisza]

Why, for its delusion?

wasn't this shown to be from an account the guy had created himself?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree with the 2nd part but can’t agree that it’s a vile country.
There are some wonderful places and some wonderful people there.
They have a written constitution (which is more than we have - freedom of speech actually exists over there!) and although it seems to have lost its way, those founding it have given it a go.
Not sure I’d want to live there though.

The founding fathers would be disgusted at what the country has turned into. They didn’t intend for it to be an oligarchy acting as the world police and committing crimes all over the place. FDR, Eisenhower and Kennedy being superseded by W Bush and Trump is a huge shame

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why, for its delusion?

The clash between image and text...

 

[Otis]

The clash between image and text...

Why? Michael Jackson was white.


Eventually.

 

[shmmeee]

The problem with their constitution is that it was written for another time.
Much like building a religion on the Ten Commandments. Or other religions basing themselves so firmly on tenets laid down a very long time ago. Everything needs to have some flexibility to move with the times. A document written by "imperfect" people shouldn't be considered inviolate.
2nd amendment was added with the War of Independence still fresh in the memory. They would never have envisioned the "hardware" available citizens have access to now.
The premise of freedom of speech never foresaw the tidal wave of what has come through the Internet and social media in particular. Does it exist when it came be severely curtailed by corporations? Whatever the morality/ethics of Parler are should corporations be able to shut them down?

The question is should businesses be forced to take work they morally disagree with? And as the gay cake bakers showed, the answer is no.

Parler isn’t banned. There are hosting providers who will ignore their content, the web is open as is the ability to install android apps. No government is blocking their service.

Claiming their freedom of speech of being restricted is like me claiming getting kicked out of a pub for being lairy means my right to buy alcohol is restricted.

 

[clint van damme]

The question is should businesses be forced to take work they morally disagree with? And as the gay cake bakers showed, the answer is no.

Parler isn’t banned. There are hosting providers who will ignore their content, the web is open as is the ability to install android apps. No government is blocking their service.

Claiming their freedom of speech of being restricted is like me claiming getting kicked out of a pub for being lairy means my right to buy alcohol is restricted.

Parler doesn't allow free speech anyway. It's a myth.
You have to prove your far right credentials first and it censors users just as much as Twitter.

 

[shmmeee]

Parler doesn't allow free speech anyway. It's a myth.
You have to prove your far right credentials first and it censors users just as much as Twitter.

Seems to me that the stuff Trump and co are doing is very much “screaming fire in a crowded theatre” stuff.

While that famous ruling was overturned on appeal, the final ruling on the first amendment still seems to say what they’re doing isn’t protected speech:Brandenburg v. Ohio - Wikipedia

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Parler doesn't allow free speech anyway. It's a myth.
You have to prove your far right credentials first and it censors users just as much as Twitter.

I was highly tempted to sign up and go ultra lefty and woke...

 

[Terry_dactyl]

The founding fathers would be disgusted at what the country has turned into. They didn’t intend for it to be an oligarchy acting as the world police and committing crimes all over the place. FDR, Eisenhower and Kennedy being superseded by W Bush and Trump is a huge shame

Yeah as @tisza points out, seems like some flexibility needs to be incorporated and thought about. Especially in relation to the ‘right to bear arms’.
I think I’m right that they also set up clear rules about restricting The influence of religion in state affairs. These seem to have gone out the window a bit with successive Presidents talking about ‘Gods will’ etc to appeal to the huge evangelical voter base. Trump being the most obviously hypocritical of these.

 

[MusicDating]

Parler doesn't allow free speech anyway. It's a myth.
You have to prove your far right credentials first and it censors users just as much as Twitter.

Well, we'll find out soon exactly how much it did censor users...

Parler’s amateur coding could come back to haunt Capitol Hill rioters

Some 80 terabytes of posts, many already deleted, preserved for posterity.

arstechnica.com

It's actually an amazing effort instigated by one amateur hacker -

The Hacker Who Archived Parler Explains How She Did It (and What Comes Next)

The hacker, donk_enby, explained that she only scraped what was publicly available: "I hope that it can be used to hold people accountable and to prevent more death."

www.vice.com

Basically don't say anything in private that you don't mind being public!

 

[clint van damme]

I was highly tempted to sign up and go ultra lefty and woke...

You'd get barred!
I think your initial posts have to be approved by a moderator. I wouldn't imagine 'woke' content