Trust letter to the FL (1 Viewer)

The Prefect · Jun 21, 2013

The letter seems to miss some hugely important points although they are touched upon.

For me the only way the takeover by Otium will be stopped is under the 'fit and proper' test. All else is a non-starter. SISU can prove funds and provide a business plan for the club - this is routine for them.

What they can't to is walk away form their actions. A few of them would be:-

Failure in Corporate Govenance (director admitted failing to keep proper accounts) - would this include misleading their auditors?
Failure to file accounts and annual returns for the companies in the Sky Blue Sports and Leisure Group.
Failing to pay a lawfully owed rent...
Appearing to remove assets from a company prior to placing it into administration (see administrators report).
Misleading public statements about the nature of CCFC Ltd and whether it was a 'trading' company or not...
Shadow Director (JS) attending meetings with lenders of a third party (Co-Op bank and the ACL mortgage) - what is the Football League's policy regarding Shadow Directors?
Director (TF) describing the club as 'debt free'? (Am I the only one that remembers this?)
Court records regarding the reliability of JS as a witness in a court case?

The list is almost endless although there is good evidence that SISU should fail the 'fit and proper' test it is unlikely they will. I am sure the Football League will do nothing other than place Coventry City on the road to ruin!

lifelongcityfan · Jun 21, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Would have to be a huge fag packet to hold 10k fans!
So is that what the trust's £2k has been spent on?
Letters to the League, a jolly up around London on a day, when Sisu's offices are shut?
Keep up the good work but you don't represent ALL Coventry City fans!

are you japandy reincarnated?

Grendel · Jun 21, 2013

cloughie said:
What a pathetic post if not the most crap I have heard for a long time , other than grendal duff

Lets go through your points

!0,000 season ticket holders oh oh oh oh when did you last go or even find out the facts about season ticket sales . You are clueless

Tim fisher said hilarious that man has made it clear that heconradictes himself so many times with untruths only a fool would believe anything he says

Compass own less than 40% of the rights

They can come out of admin with the FL approval when they have FL approval were we will play

They don't represent all CCFC fans but most fans agree in principle with their agenda............other than pgsm.........and you

Psgm1 is very rabidly anti sisu. His paranoid behaviour is almost up there with yours. Like you dadgad silly sky blue John and jack "everyone who supports the club is Tim fisher" griffin not to mention James "never comment on football matters" smith none of you can remove yourselves from a slavish obsession with ACL and the council.

All of you are as bad as each other. An embarrassment to all true supporters.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jun 21, 2013

lifelongcityfan said:
are you japandy reincarnated?

What's crazy is that japandy was speaking perfectly reasonable sense just the other day but something seemed to have snapped.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jun 21, 2013

Grendel said:
Psgm1 is very rabidly anti sisu. His paranoid behaviour is almost up there with yours. Like you dadgad silly sky blue John and jack "everyone who supports the club is Tim fisher" griffin not to mention James "never comment on football matters" smith none of you can remove yourselves from a slavish obsession with ACL and the council.

All of you are as bad as each other. An embarrassment to all true supporters.

Ooh, do me next!

Grendel · Jun 21, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Ooh, do me next!

I know that is one of your fantasies. Sorry I'm just going to keep you on hold.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jun 21, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Would have to be a huge fag packet to hold 10k fans!
So is that what the trust's £2k has been spent on?
Letters to the League, a jolly up around London on a day, when Sisu's offices are shut?
Keep up the good work but you don't represent ALL Coventry City fans!

I paid to go to London big nose and paid my way so did the others and if I want to go to London on a saturday I will :jerkit:

Nonleagueherewecome · Jun 21, 2013

Grendel said:
I know that is one of your fantasies. Sorry I'm just going to keep you on hold.

You tease...I couldn't cope with the arousal and came anyway

SonOfSnoz · Jun 21, 2013

Broken Hearted by nature as well as name?
Come on man, don't shame us Skyblues!
Pull yourself together, support the club!

lifelongcityfan · Jun 21, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Broken Hearted by nature as well as name?
Come on man, don't shame us Skyblues!
Pull yourself together, support the club!

what exactly have you done? fed up people knocking others who have tried.

cloughie · Jun 21, 2013

Grendel said:
Psgm1 is very rabidly anti sisu. His paranoid behaviour is almost up there with yours. Like you dadgad silly sky blue John and jack "everyone who supports the club is Tim fisher" griffin not to mention James "never comment on football matters" smith none of you can remove yourselves from a slavish obsession with ACL and the council.

All of you are as bad as each other. An embarrassment to all true supporters.

paranoid that will be your Black Sabbath era are you on par with ossie

@richh87 · Jun 21, 2013

psgm1 said:
Great to see the clique reverting to type!

Isn't it odd they make an announcement a few hours after everyone else. They seem almost incapable of ever being ahead of the curve, yet make it out as they are the only voice in coventry!

Also I really really despise the fact they keep referring to sisu as "the club" - when that is the entire point they aren't and have NEVER EVER been the club! It is sisu, and it's parent companys that are in dispute with the landlords - NOT the club. The Fans are the club and will always be so!

And it is a bit rich of a group that cannot even follow its OWN core values (open honest and transparent) to expect others to do otherwise! But hypocricy is nothing new with these guys!

And what is it with them and rhetorical questions? Why ask questions they don't like or want the answer to?

BTW Is their chair still trying to deny Steve.B50 is Steve Brown? Kind of have to ask serious questions of that guys openness honesty and integrity, when he deliberately lies when he knows FULL WELL who he is! But I suppose you don't have to be an honest person, or an original thinker to be chair of the SBT! Just prepared to lie to cover your back, treat others with contempt, and break your promises.

If so, then under those criteria the SBT have a WONDERFUL board

Seriously, shut your face.

SonOfSnoz · Jun 21, 2013

lifelongcityfan said:
are you japandy reincarnated?

Who's he? Andy Pandy?
I'm Son of Snoz

lifelongcityfan · Jun 21, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Who's he? Andy Pandy?
I'm Son of Snoz

both a pair of WUM's bore off

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jun 21, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Broken Hearted by nature as well as name?
Come on man, don't shame us Skyblues!
Pull yourself together, support the club!

I do not sure about you you dont seem to know much about it

SonOfSnoz · Jun 21, 2013

lifelongcityfan said:
what exactly have you done? fed up people knocking others who have tried.

Supported the club & understood the board's dilema, even though they are not from Cov!

lifelongcityfan · Jun 21, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Supported the club & understood the board's dilema, even though they are not from Cov!

what a hero!!! and what have you achieved??

Samo · Jun 21, 2013

Grendel said:
Psgm1 is very rabidly anti sisu. His paranoid behaviour is almost up there with yours. Like you dadgad silly sky blue John and jack "everyone who supports the club is Tim fisher" griffin not to mention James "never comment on football matters" smith none of you can remove yourselves from a slavish obsession with ACL and the council.

All of you are as bad as each other. An embarrassment to all true supporters.[/QUOTE

What's striking in your posts is that your are rather less intelligent or well educated than you would have us believe. As is the way, it's the little things that betray you... but we see them and we know. I see who you are.

@richh87 · Jun 21, 2013

The Prefect said:
The letter seems to miss some hugely important points although they are touched upon.

For me the only way the takeover by Otium will be stopped is under the 'fit and proper' test. All else is a non-starter. SISU can prove funds and provide a business plan for the club - this is routine for them.

What they can't to is walk away form their actions. A few of them would be:-

Failure in Corporate Govenance (director admitted failing to keep proper accounts) - would this include misleading their auditors?
Failure to file accounts and annual returns for the companies in the Sky Blue Sports and Leisure Group.
Failing to pay a lawfully owed rent...
Appearing to remove assets from a company prior to placing it into administration (see administrators report).
Misleading public statements about the nature of CCFC Ltd and whether it was a 'trading' company or not...
Shadow Director (JS) attending meetings with lenders of a third party (Co-Op bank and the ACL mortgage) - what is the Football League's policy regarding Shadow Directors?
Director (TF) describing the club as 'debt free'? (Am I the only one that remembers this?)
Court records regarding the reliability of JS as a witness in a court case?

The list is almost endless although there is good evidence that SISU should fail the 'fit and proper' test it is unlikely they will. I am sure the Football League will do nothing other than place Coventry City on the road to ruin!

These are all great points and need to be put to any journalists interested in making a piece on this.

Maybe a forum stickie with the reasons SISU are c*nts, I mean allegedly not fit & proper.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 21, 2013

Nothing at all wrong in the content but several clear typos which you might want fixed before releasing for publication in the press.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jun 21, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I paid to go to London big nose and paid my way so did the others and if I want to go to London on a saturday I will :jerkit:

Pythonesque insults are the best

pw362 · Jun 21, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Broken Hearted by nature as well as name?
Come on man, don't shame us Skyblues!
Pull yourself together, support the club!

FFS we all support the club whether we are pro/anti SISU ACL Trust whatever

@richh87 · Jun 21, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Supported the club & understood the board's dilema, even though they are not from Cov!

Dilemma? Who gives a flying f*** about their dilemma?! They don't care about CCFC, they care about returns for their investors at ANY price.

I don't why I'm telling you this, you're only on here to wind people up.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jun 21, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Pythonesque insults are the best

I was refering to his name however I do pass wind in his general direction

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 21, 2013

Otis said:
To Chairman & Board of the Football League

Coventry City Football Club (CCFC)

The Sky Blue Trust is the largest independent Coventry City supporters organisation, with over 2200 members. Recent events at our club have left the Trust and CCFC fans in general deeply concerned for its future. The purpose of this letter is to request that the Football League investigate thoroughly these events and act to secure the future of our club, in Coventry, under responsible ownership.

Above all else, Coventry fans want to see their club play in their city. The current and proposed future owners have made clear their intention to move the club away from Coventry and are not planning on returning within the city boundary. Fans on media sites, online forums and at club organised forums have steadfastly rejected this proposal in great numbers. It must be clear to the owners that nearly all fans do not support the move. The football community in Coventry have rejected the owners’ plan.

The Football League in its values state

“We are at the heart of 72 communities across England and Wales, and share the pride and heritage of each.”

We are looking to the Football League to demonstrate the truth of this core value at a time when the heart of our community is proposed to be transplanted miles away.

The club must be viable. We all accept that. Yet we have been told that the planned move will increase the losses made by the club, will cost millions in building a new ground which will increase the current stated debts of £70m. How is such debt manageable when faced with the certainty that the lifeblood of the club, its fans, will reject the owners’ plans, voting with their feet?

The Football League, we understand, has a defined policy with respect to insolvent clubs. We are told that requirements include:
- Proof of funding;
- Monthly monitoring of a clubs financial performance;
- Share capital of £500k in League 1 for new companies. The Football League share was confirmed as Coventry City Football Club Ltd and therefore membership by another company to operate CCFC would be a new company;
- Security of Ground Tenure for 10 years;
- Owners that meet the requirements of the owners and directors test;
- A financial bond whilst playing outside the club’s conurbation;
- A clear and defined plan to move back in to the clubs conurbation in a set timescale.

Please can you confirm how these requirements are proposed to be met by the new owners of CCFC?

The club has been in dispute with its landlord but it has not, as the club CEO continually asserts, been “locked out.” The owners of the Ricoh Arena remain keen for the team to play home games at the stadium and are ready to hold urgent discussions with the club. The club's owners have chosen to ignore that and follow their planned relocation for reasons of their own, which have never been satisfactorily explained. It makes no sense to fans for the owners to risk the future of the club on a plan that has no clear basis, with no land purchased for their planned stadium, no planning permission. On this basistherefore, there is no secure financial plan and, most importantly, no fan support and so - no income.

How can the Football League allow our club to be put at risk in this manner?

We believe that the Football League must investigate the proposed ownership of our club. Do the owners and directors meet the League’s requirements? There is evidence that suggests the proposed new owner is nothing more than a shell company,: is that really the type of ownership that the Football League believes is in the best interests of football?

We believe it is time that the football authorities urgently make efforts to protect the one thing that truly matters – the interests of the fans. Without them no club is viable.

We are looking forward to meeting your representatives next week, to discuss in detail the concerns our members and CCFC fans as a whole have and to understand in detail the action the Football League will take to address them properly.

Keep our club in Coventry

The Sky Blue Trust

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Nonleagueherewecome · Jun 21, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I was refering to his name however I do pass wind in his general direction

I'm sure Eric Idle calls somebody bignose..I'm thinking possibly in Life of Brian. Maybe somewhere around the crucifixion scene! I think it was also used as an insult in Asterix, emphasising the Roman vibe to the insult

Nonleagueherewecome · Jun 21, 2013

Are, it's the stoning scene..no, edit, just...this scene, anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ahg2GVWHGKY

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jun 21, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
I'm sure Eric Idle calls somebody bignose..I'm thinking possibly in Life of Brian. Maybe somewhere around the crucifixion scene! I think it was also used as an insult in Asterix, emphasising the Roman vibe to the insult

Yes he did

Sky blue north east · Jun 21, 2013

I love these threads that turn into an allout bitch fight.....

Grappa · Jun 21, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
What's crazy is that japandy was speaking perfectly reasonable sense just the other day but something seemed to have snapped.

I'm not sure how to put this but I'll have a go. Japandy has been around various Cov forums for a good while. He had a brain tumour some years ago. He has been quite upfront about this. It, or perhaps its treatment, has inevitably caused some cognitive issues.

He's a good guy. I understand that not that many people would be aware of his issues so I am in no way criticising anyone for responding to what they see.

He'll be quite cross that I've said this but I was a bit pissed off when I saw Nick having a go at him earlier when complete tossers like pgsm seem to be given greater leeway than Andy.

He's a good bloke.

wingy · Jun 22, 2013

Grappa said:
I'm not sure how to put this but I'll have a go. Japandy has been around various Cov forums for a good while. He had a brain tumour some years ago. He has been quite upfront about this. It, or perhaps its treatment, has inevitably caused some cognitive issues.

He's a good guy. I understand that not that many people would be aware of his issues so I am in no way criticising anyone for responding to what they see.

He'll be quite cross that I've said this but I was a bit pissed off when I saw Nick having a go at him earlier when complete tossers like pgsm seem to be given greater leeway than Andy.

He's a good bloke.

Cheers for the heads up Grappa.

the thing with PSGM ,is he often can nail it all in a very erudite way ,then the next time he's on he destroys it .I reckon Nicks gonna have to ban SL onAir as every time he shows up now,PSGM follows.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 22, 2013

Grappa said:
I'm not sure how to put this but I'll have a go. Japandy has been around various Cov forums for a good while. He had a brain tumour some years ago. He has been quite upfront about this. It, or perhaps its treatment, has inevitably caused some cognitive issues.

He's a good guy. I understand that not that many people would be aware of his issues so I am in no way criticising anyone for responding to what they see.

He'll be quite cross that I've said this but I was a bit pissed off when I saw Nick having a go at him earlier when complete tossers like pgsm seem to be given greater leeway than Andy.

He's a good bloke.

It's most likely a combination of both especially as I imagine he'll be on chemo for a brain tumour. As you say very few here would have known about it so does make a lot more sense now-hope he gets better.

letsallsingtogether · Jun 22, 2013

OH another new poster that is full of shit....
Wouldn't have to be that big for a start as we do not have 10,000 STH and at the moment have NONE
I too went on the so called jolly on Saturday I also paid my way.(not even a member of the Trust)
and as for not being the voice of the fans nor are you.
So off you go Rex fetch that bone.........:jerkit::blue::blue:

SonOfSnoz said:
Would have to be a huge fag packet to hold 10k fans!
So is that what the trust's £2k has been spent on?
Letters to the League, a jolly up around London on a day, when Sisu's offices are shut?
Keep up the good work but you don't represent ALL Coventry City fans!

RegTheDonk · Jun 22, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
I'm sure Eric Idle calls somebody bignose..I'm thinking possibly in Life of Brian. Maybe somewhere around the crucifixion scene! I think it was also used as an insult in Asterix, emphasising the Roman vibe to the insult

I remember we were playing at Villa Park, was in the side section a couple of rows from the front. Andy Townsend runs over to us to pick the ball up for a throw in, and one of our lads shouts:

"Oi! Big Nose!"

Townsend looks towards up, and the guys shouts "HA! He looked!!"

The rest of our lot crack up and are shouting "big nose" every time he touched the ball.

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