fernandopartridge
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Are the CSF subject to FOI? They may be so could be worth asking.
Probably not. CCC are though and they must know what is going on.Are the CSF subject to FOI? They may be so could be worth asking.
What's that got to do with the thread?SISU don't give a F**K about the fans !! When are you FANS going to open your eyes :facepalm: are football club is slowly DYING under SISU .
Can you remind me who likes to do this the most whilst calling it evidence?To start with focus on the future and stop digging up boring irrelevant crap from the archives.
Bring the City to a standstill one Saturday morning.
That article was just for people like ccfcway who will keep bringing up links from 3 years ago when Fisher was on about it.
Not surprisiing that SISU/ Club are easy to blame though and that is one reason to blame them. They put themselves in an easy position to be blamed and are suffering for it now. The club has not yet settled the stadium Problem, so any 'long Term commitment ' could be out the window tomorrow if a stadium complex ever happened ( it won't but the theory is enough to be used against them).That's PR by Paul Breed, the wasps and the swimming pool are pretty much a done deals. They know the hatred for sisu and the club so its easy to lay the "door is open" line and will then lay the blame at the club when the inevitable happens. They'll get off relatively lightly while everyone blames the club.
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So surely trying to get in at higgs long term is something different?To be fair, you have hit the nail on the head. 3 years ago they were on about it. Now Anderson is on about it. Time for our owners to do something about it.
I was at the vale last week in cardiff, a fantastic facility that their rugby team and football team share. Sadly, the only thing our owners seem to share is space in the courtroom.
yes.. you are right we have to all be on the same hymn sheet ,but also we have to remember we have good coaching staff in the academy if i knew, were i was working would be shut down in a year or so i would be looking for another job mate they have families they need assurances asap this has to sorted out quick, we have no home, the academy and the fanbase is the only foundation we have at the moment.We have to fight for this, as one not two sides.
But they said that ages ago? They have said for about a year they want to sort the higgs?
Anderson has said he wants a long term future for the Academy so why dig some stuff up from years ago.
As for the second comment - well - says it all really. Why not do something useful like quote something from 3 years ago (oh you've done that) best open the Portsmouth thread. Heaven forbid you'll say something relevant or useful.
Was just looking for some figures and saw this from back in March in the CT
I don't really get why they're closing the current pool unless I'm missing something. Its reported that running costs are £2K a day. That's £730K a year. Sounds a lot but its a big old place. So to 'save money' they are closing it and building a new £36m facility in the city centre, but that does't have the pool so they also need that at £14m plus (interesting the council say £6m needs to be raised, who is paying the rest?).
So that's a minimum of £50m not including ongoing running costs. Enough to keep the current centre open for 68.5 years.
Hasn't the indication that the preferred option would be for the Academy to say at Higgs only been put forward since Anderson has raised it?
All other indications had been that it would be part of the combined facility SISU were progressing.
He didn't take up the role until last November and has only raised the point this year and this falls alongside talks SISU are now having with CRFC?
Are we going to just refer to something Fisher said 3 years ago to make it ok for the Academy to be screwed over then?
Yes we should all agree on this. But we shouldn't be blind to what has happened before it.When going back to the higgs both parties were happy with the contract agreement and were talking about the long term werent they?
Are we going to just refer to something Fisher said 3 years ago to make it ok for the Academy to be screwed over then? I guess so as it gives us a chance to all go on about SISU's bluff being called and high five at the chance to be angry at them.
Still, it won't achieve anything.
I would have thought this was something everybody could agree on?
Quiz the club and the higgs side, see if the club really are pushing for long term there like they say. If that is true then pressure the higgs, if it isn't then go all out on the club.
If Wasps and the pool is happening, ask if the club could still remain or not.
Yes we should all agree on this. But we shouldn't be blind to what has happened before it.
Three years ago?
In a minuted meeting with Rugby Borough Council on 11th March 2015 the following was said -
"TF clarified that the requirement is for a community integrated Stadium for 18,000 capacity, together with some other adjoining developments – want to
consolidate all club resources on one site. Also, want to move the Academy (as this is the pillar for the business moving forward), this would include the first
team training facility.
TF identified that the Academy part of the project is best suited to green belt by definition. He said he was aware of a precedent where a sports facility has
already got planning in green belt.
SW highlighted that it is cross-cutting with a sports facility - as it is to be a training/development/sport and
leisure facility. CCFC would be keen to develop this idea as the Stadium is under-used at present and this would present a wider remit as a performance centre
for games. This could be integrated fully with other community needs as the Academy/development centre is a pathway for young talent.
TF confirmed that it may be possible to split the resources, with a proposal to build the Academy facility in green belt and the Stadium lying outside the green belt area."
Good statement from the Trust
Can't help thinking that this is a done deal though and it has been for some time. It is not certain that there will be a pool there, it will depend on getting the funding, but it is certain I feel that the needs of CCFC Academy are well down the list of priorities and will be subordinated to Wasps.
Wasps will be setting up close by to the Alan Higgs Centre and will have access to and use of its facilities
CSF latest accounts identify its latest project for the City called "Engage" and its based on Rugby
Very bad news for CCFC
So who is against asking questions?But then should we be using it as something to throw sticks? Surely if CA has come in and is saying the club wants long term at the Higgs and is trying to get it then it is a good thing?
Why was the contract length never an issue in the previous years?
Why are people so against questions being asked and will just keep going on about Tim Fisher, even though Anderson has said difference since?
I forgot about that one! My 3 years was about the link that was posted earlier!
It still stands though doesn't it? Anderson has since come in and changed things a bit, surely we should welcome that?
What's wrong with questioning all parties in it and pressurising them?
So who is against asking questions?
The big problem is it seems just like the Arena debacle. SISU say that they don't want it until it is too late and everyone else has moved on.
Trust must be impartial
How can any of us know if questions aren't asked and then answered?But why is the one year rolling contract suddenly such an issue? Why not at the time they went back or before?
Why are higgs trying to rush through wasps and the pool?
How can any of us know if questions aren't asked and then answered?
My guess would be that SISU said that they wanted a 1 year rolling contract when they said that they would build their own training facilities. And then are we expecting everyone to hold on and not plan for the future with the information they have been given?
So what is your take on it with the information that we have had so far?Ah, so usual story. SISU wrong, everyone else right, fans and club will suffer, but who cares as long as SISU look bad?
So why did they go ahead and replace the pitch then?So what is your take on it with the information that we have had so far?
Or are you saying that SISU didn't say that they were building their own training facilities? Maybeyou are saying that nobody should believe anything that SISU say and they should have risked spending a lot of money replacing the playing pitch knowing that we would stay there and not planned for the future.
What contract did they have before?How can any of us know if questions aren't asked and then answered?
My guess would be that SISU said that they wanted a 1 year rolling contract when they said that they would build their own training facilities. And then are we expecting everyone to hold on and not plan for the future with the information they have been given?
Ah, so usual story. SISU wrong, everyone else right, fans and club will suffer, but who cares as long as SISU look bad?
But then should we be using it as something to throw sticks? Surely if CA has come in and is saying the club wants long term at the Higgs and is trying to get it then it is a good thing?
Why was the contract length never an issue in the previous years?
Why are people so against questions being asked and will just keep going on about Tim Fisher, even though Anderson has said difference since?
I don't have any interest in a swimming pool, as far as I'm concerned they can repurpose the main baths and not build anything to replace them.However it is nonsense of you to claim that costs to keep the old pool open would remain static for nearly 70 years, utter nonsense and you know it.
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