SleepyGinger
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If Robins is willing to let Waghorn and Walker go then he must think he can bring in better. With only Gyokeres (as it stands) and an injury prone Godden we will need reinforcements.
But it's an utterly stupid scenario that.Football is a business like no other
Most clubs are absolutely ruthless when they have the upper hand
The players know that and most will be sympathetic to fellow professionals in the same position as Walker & Waghorn now and Hilssner & Jobello last term, who were bombed out to the U23s until Jobello was paid off and Hilssner found a club in Germany
There is a bit of leeway for the club, in that in terms of cash flow.But it's an utterly stupid scenario that.
Agent says pay up front or he won't leave permanently, club says we'll pay you weekly, agent says no. Player, then, continues to be paid weekly anyway, just either in the reserves, or on loan and having to find a new club the season after.
That's not an agent playing hardball, that's an agent showing a total lack of awareness!
A bit like last season then.I suspect he will nominally still be our player next season, even if he doesn't end up playing a game for us.
I’m sure Robins is aware of this palIf Robins is willing to let Waghorn and Walker go then he must think he can bring in better. With only Gyokeres (as it stands) and an injury prone Godden we will need reinforcements.
I literally said he must think he can bring in betterI’m sure Robins is aware of this pal
Chesterfield are in the play-offs so could be in Lg2 next season. Just seen Paul Cook is back managing them - he's had a bit of a fall from grace since leaving Wigan.
Been waiting years to be back in the prem.Tbf to walker he was our top scorer in our first season back in the prem then godden and gyokores pulled away.
He was our top scorer but only scored 7 in 31 appearances.Tbf to walker he was our top scorer in our first season back in the prem then godden and gyokores pulled away.
Been waiting years to be back in the prem.
He was our top scorer but only scored 7 in 31 appearances.
Have you seen him play ? I know I haven’t if Robins adds him to the squad give him a chance ffs!
Football is a business like no other
Most clubs are absolutely ruthless when they have the upper hand
The players know that and most will be sympathetic to fellow professionals in the same position as Walker & Waghorn now and Hilssner & Jobello last term, who were bombed out to the U23s until Jobello was paid off and Hilssner found a club in Germany
Here's a notorious exampleSurely there will be a number of outcomes from such negotiations? For instance, a settlement could be made, the former club could pay the player's contract up to the point of him finding a new club or the former club could pay the difference between their new contract and their previous contract at the club they've just departed from for the final year.
I very much doubt it's as rigid as you say.
Clubs are ruthless but most aren't utterly unreasonable.
Here's a notorious example
Jack Rodwell refusing to quit his £70,000-a-week Sunderland deal
JACK RODWELL accepts his Sunderland career could well be over – but isn’t prepared to walk away from his £70,000-a-week contract. SunSport reported earlier this week that the Black Cats…www.thesun.co.uk
There will be differences when a player is still in demand so other clubs will be willing to take themJack Rodwell is the exception, not the rule. Most players want to play football, not sit on the sidelines running down their contract.
Do you know much about the scouting side of the club. Do you think Hilssner was ever watched playing in person Or was signed on the back of a video scouting review and statistical analysis? Either way the length of the contract appears to have worked against us.There will be differences when a player is still in demand so other clubs will be willing to take them
Waghorn will possibly fall into that category
No one wanted Rodwell as he had downed tools and had an attitude that stank to high heaven
Two very recent examples in our own club are Hilssner and Jobello
We made life as uncomfortable as possible for them by banishing them to train with the U23s and not giving them games in the hope they'd leave and walk away from their contracts
Neither did
Jobello was eventually paid off and Hilssner is still seeing out his contract, albeit the poor guy has done his ACL and has remained in Germany
Do you know much about the scouting side of the club. Do you think Hilssner was ever watched playing in person Or was signed on the back of a video scouting review and statistical analysis? Either way the length of the contract appears to have worked against us.
He was probably watched by someone on the club's payroll and then recommended to Robins who would have watched recordingsDo you know much about the scouting side of the club. Do you think Hilssner was ever watched playing in person Or was signed on the back of a video scouting review and statistical analysis? Either way the length of the contract appears to have worked against us.
There will be differences when a player is still in demand so other clubs will be willing to take them
Waghorn will possibly fall into that category
No one wanted Rodwell as he had downed tools and had an attitude that stank to high heaven
Two very recent examples in our own club are Hilssner and Jobello
We made life as uncomfortable as possible for them by banishing them to train with the U23s and not giving them games in the hope they'd leave and walk away from their contracts
Neither did
Jobello was eventually paid off and Hilssner is still seeing out his contract, albeit the poor guy has done his ACL and has remained in Germany
I agree with youThere's obviously a clear correlation between more favourable settlements being agreed on the behalf of players under contract that would attract interest over players such as Hilssner who realistically we'd have no other option to reach a settlement with.
However, your claim that in order to allow a player join another club the only option for clubs is to negotiate an early settlement on the current contract of a player is dubious at best. Darragh McAnthony discusses it at length in one of his podcasts and details numerous alternatives he's brokered throughout his chairmanship.
As, if that were the case, and the only option was to provide said player cash up front, clubs would simply not afford to be able to move players on. Which is an outcome that's neither beneficial for the club, nor the player in question.
Granted there are numerous cases where players hold fast on their contracts and won't budge, which they're more than entitled to do, but I'd imagine by large there will be far more flexibility than you think regarding how settlements are structured. It's not a case of block payment or nothing.
Walker isn't up to the level. Doesn't have the technical ability, pace, or strength required, and then crucially appears to lack the intensity and aggression required to combat those shortcomings.
Not questioning his attitude or professionalism, these aren't attributes you can just turn on/off. He might overcome some of these and improve to the required level in future, but I think if we're serious about progressing he can't be in our plans.
Mmmm
21/22 Summer transfer mega-thread
We were rumoured to be looking at Lawrence Shankland. Seems to have a good record in the Scottish Prem. Might be out of our price range though. Possibly could do a job in the Championship, but a gamble, which I suppose is like any transfer. His scoring exploits have slowed right down now he’s...www.skybluestalk.co.uk
GnanduilletShankland that’s a name from the past, who was the other guy who went to Scotland who CC84 was obsessed with?
Strange. What point are you making there? Just read through and I stand by what I said (a long time ago, and v strange that you've cited it).
The reason Biamou was played so often was because Walker wasn't good enough, didn't have a presence. Biamou wasn't good enough, but he was aggressive and combative, and he made more of a fist of it than Walker, hence the comment.
Gyokeres has changed things massively for us. Love Godden but when we play him up top by himself, we look significantly worse. His finishing been on another level this season though.
I didn't say that.You said biamou was better than godden and Walker - Walker was top goalscorer that season.
Biamou aggressiveStrange. What point are you making there? Just read through and I stand by what I said (a long time ago, and v strange that you've cited it).
The reason Biamou was played so often was because Walker wasn't good enough, didn't have a presence. Biamou wasn't good enough, but he was aggressive and combative, and he made more of a fist of it than Walker, hence the comment.
Gyokeres has changed things massively for us. Love Godden but when we play him up top by himself, we look significantly worse. His finishing been on another level this season though.
Biamou aggressive
Biamou aggressive
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