Terry_dactyl
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Up there with Lee Burge vs Newport County.
The only team that played good football in the groups and are still in is Spain.
it really is a 'squeak by and get into the latter stages' kinda tournament.
No chance, Switzerland, Turkey and whoever is most crocked from the other side and lets win something.England have never lost to Turkey..... but if we manage to beat the Swiss, I think I'd rather we play the Dutch in an SF
Most International football is that way tbf.The only team that played good football in the groups and are still in is Spain.
it really is a 'squeak by and get into the latter stages' kinda tournament.
I think he's spot onMaybe there is some truth in this , and maybe that's why I find it so boring
Absolutely no way he tries this in a QF IMO.Apparently Southgate is considering 3-4-3 again for Switzerland. Supposedly the team is going to be:
Pickford
Walker
Stones
Konsa
TAA
Mainoo
Rice
Trippier/Saka
Bellingham
Foden
Kane
More like the box we used to play under MR. Personally, this is a lineup I’d like to see with perhaps Gordon > Mainoo if Bellingham is trusted to play as 8.
Absolutely no way he tries this in a QF IMO.
IF he was going to try this then surely the last group game when we had already qualified would have been the one?
Absolutely no way he tries this in a QF IMO.
IF he was going to try this then surely the last group game when we had already qualified would have been the one?
Added to the fact that Trippier has a bad mistake in him just about every game. Nearly gave a a one on one chance to the Slovakian attacker last week, with an awful back pass to Guehl, who had to take yellow card.We’ll see on Saturday, to me these changes make a lot of sense and given that several major newspapers are reporting that’s what we’re using in training.
It’s a formation that the team have used a lot in his reign so it’s nothing radical. Southgate also said he liked what Saka offered at LB which hinted to me he’d change formation because Saka as a LB in a back 4 is more risky than a back 3 with wingbacks. It’s a formation that gives us more natural width to let Bellingham and Foden work between the lines.
Such a tactical change could solve the TAA conundrum. He was playing well in terms of chances created but just unable to make things work as a CM. With Trippier not playing especially well so far, Trent at RWB makes sense.
4-2-3-1 just isn’t working and to be fair to Southgate, he does adapt team quite often. We moved to 3-4-3 in the KO rounds in the last Euros despite not playing it in the group stages. I’m looking forward to the changes, we can’t carry on as is and 3-4 games is a good enough sample size to know to cut your loses.
Added to the fact that Trippier has a bad mistake in him just about every game. Nearly gave a a one on one chance to the Slovakian attacker last week, with an awful back pass to Guehl, who had to take yellow card.
Trippier always worries me when he's in and especially when he is at left back. It really does cause such an imbalance.
He clearly knows his best team, but going into the tournament there were three problem areas for us:I’m currently away so hadn’t saw that we’d be training with it and I know I’m massively anti Southgate but…………..he really has fucking no clue of his best side or formation does he?
Saying that I really do hope he proves me wrong and drags us to victory.
He clearly knows his best team, but going into the tournament there were three problem areas for us:
CB
LB
CM
Thankfully, Guehi has stepped up well at CB in Maguire’s absence. LB is a problem, clearly someone in the medical team has got it wrong on Shaw. CM, the TAA experiment was worthwhile, but failed. Mainoo’s performances have put him as first choice.
To be fair to Southgate, he’s given the current system enough time to settle before deciding it’s not going to work. It takes a lot to recognise your plans aren’t working and there’s a plan B there. We just haven’t been able to break teams down in the low block.
My hope is that Bellingham and Foden in ‘the box’ will overload teams in the central areas of the pitch - out weakness atm. Saka and Trent as WBs should give us a bit more creativity in the wide areas.
Robins masterclass of 3-4-2-1.
Agreed, before we’ve played 3-4-3 with wingers with Saka and Foden/Sterling/Rashford/Mount rather than AMs so my hope is that Foden and Bellingham both have free rein to find space to exploit.Whenever England have played the formation it’s been like the front 3 play the full width of the pitch, which then gets in the way of the wing backs. Hope we keep things more centrally focussed if we switch to this.
I don’t think he does. I think he knows his best players but not his best team.He clearly knows his best team, but going into the tournament there were three problem areas for us:
CB
LB
CM
Thankfully, Guehi has stepped up well at CB in Maguire’s absence. LB is a problem, clearly someone in the medical team has got it wrong on Shaw. CM, the TAA experiment was worthwhile, but failed. Mainoo’s performances have put him as first choice.
To be fair to Southgate, he’s given the current system enough time to settle before deciding it’s not going to work. It takes a lot to recognise your plans aren’t working and there’s a plan B there. We just haven’t been able to break teams down in the low block.
My hope is that Bellingham and Foden in ‘the box’ will overload teams in the central areas of the pitch - out weakness atm. Saka and Trent as WBs should give us a bit more creativity in the wide areas.
Robins masterclass of 3-4-2-1.
He looked like a deer in headlights. Can’t see the hype after that.It's been very mixed but what I don't get is why so many strikers seem to be so useless at finishing easy chances like that one just then. Sesko's last night was terrible.
0181 (as we're outside London)?I’m not sure I can see a 3421/5221 working tbh
Kane needs runners beyond him. A front 3 of him, Foden and Bellingham will all just trip over each other.
Bellingham isn’t actually playing that well, think he’s hampered by injury.
And our left side of he defence will be dodgy at best.
Actually it's 02080181 (as we're outside London)?
I’m not sure I can see a 3421/5221 working tbh
Kane needs runners beyond him. A front 3 of him, Foden and Bellingham will all just trip over each other.
Bellingham isn’t actually playing that well, think he’s hampered by injury.
And our left side of he defence will be dodgy at best.
I'm with you, something you think would have to change. It would be madness to persist with the current set up with the evidence of the last 6 performances. 4-2-3-1 just didn't work, we lacked width and any real dynamism, it was all to rigid.We’ll see on Saturday, to me these changes make a lot of sense and given that several major newspapers are reporting that’s what we’re using in training.
It’s a formation that the team have used a lot in his reign so it’s nothing radical. Southgate also said he liked what Saka offered at LB which hinted to me he’d change formation because Saka as a LB in a back 4 is more risky than a back 3 with wingbacks. It’s a formation that gives us more natural width to let Bellingham and Foden work between the lines.
Such a tactical change could solve the TAA conundrum. He was playing well in terms of chances created but just unable to make things work as a CM. With Trippier not playing especially well so far, Trent at RWB makes sense.
4-2-3-1 just isn’t working and to be fair to Southgate, he does adapt team quite often. We moved to 3-4-3 in the KO rounds in the last Euros despite not playing it in the group stages. I’m looking forward to the changes, we can’t carry on as is and 3-4 games is a good enough sample size to know to cut your loses.
Ask your dad!!Actually it's 0208
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