A bizarre conclusion to draw. The football he’s had us playing has been awful to watch for years and our record against stronger teams is very poor.He's not a Lad. I genuinely think that's all it is. He's an articulate bloke who looks after himself. As a mass, we like TalkSport; fat drunks who just say things. I hope he wins it and tells us all to f*ck off.
A bizarre conclusion to draw. The football he’s had us playing has been awful to watch for years and our record against stronger teams is very poor.
I don't know when to stop replying
Ainnit! Debate's good, though. Enjoy Sunday!
I remember so many England matches in the 70s, 80s and 90s when we were totally clueless and just lumped the ball forward to a big striker at every opportunity.Who can forget the 0-0 thrillers against Algeria and Nigeria in the World Cup? Or the stoppage time collapse against France in 2004.
2018 being an exception (Germany and Argentina underperforming in the groups), we have earned ‘easy’ sides of the draws because we won the group every time. Even in 2021, Denmark were a Top 10 ranked team in the world.
100% agree, it’s all revisionist and completely subjective saying international football was gone down in calibre. Personally, I disagree with that notion.
One thing that is seemingly being forgotten, is how easy our opponents have been to get this far.
I mean at this point who cares, you get behind the team. However, beating a shit Netherlands team in injury time, an average Swiss team on penalties, and also Slovakia in extra time following some underwhelming group games isn't really something I would regard as particularly impressive. We should be winning those games, we've just done it by the skin of our teeth.
Again though, I don't really care. If we somehow beat Spain then it certainly doesn't matter either.
That’s moving the goalposts, the main criticism of Southgate is his record against Top 10 teams. Netherlands are ranked 7th and a good outfit. Denmark were are top 10 team in 2021 and beating Germany the same year was the first since 1966.
Barring one great shot from range, the Netherlands didn’t trouble us. Spain get rightly praised for beating Italy in the Group, yet when we beat Switzerland in the quarters, it’s an easy tie. The same team nearly beat Germany save for a stoppage time equaliser.
You can only beat who’s in front of you and we’ve elevated our game as the tournament has progressed. I don’t understand why people like to dissect things and put asterisks aside our journey to the final.
These players do not play like that for their clubs in higher stakes games than group games against Slovenia. It’s part of the game plan and when it clearly isn’t working he refuses to change things up in the hope that Harry Kane will bail out the game from defensive midfield.Didn't we score more than any other team at a couple of tournaments and in most qualification groups? People wheel out the 'stronger teams' thing when we lose. If you point out we beat Germany, suddenly it's not a 'strong' German side. Same as vs. Holland. He'll get no credit for that. We were unlucky to lose vs. France and they nearly won it.
I also like the handbrake idea, that he's telling them to play slowly and pass backwards, and this isn't just young, mentally weak players bottling it on a big stage. Where are the leaders he could pick? He got endless sh*t for persisting with Henderson but you look now and see why he played. He's cautious? He had to rely on Maguire FFS!
Managers with Campbell, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole at the back got worse results. Managers with Scholes, Lampard, peak Rooney, Gerrard, Joe Cole played consistently worse going fwd. He's delivered, and he's had no more 'meh' performances at tournaments than anyone else. Who the f*ck would want the job? We are a mad, entitled bunch.
Hi mate, not sure if you’re aware but we played the Netherlands in a semi final two days ago and he took Kane off at 1-1 and the guy he brought on scored the winnerIt’s part of the game plan and when it clearly isn’t working he refuses to change things up in the hope that Harry Kane will bail out the game from defensive midfield.
Believe me, I’m having a blast! It’s just irritating and disappointing to give it the ‘yeah but’ when talking about this England team. The vitriol to Southgate is a disgrace.I'm not moving any goalposts, or putting asterisks on anything. Stop trying to start another fucking argument and enjoy the next few days and the final!
Congratulations, only took him 6 games to realiseHi mate, not sure if you’re aware but we played the Netherlands in a semi final two days ago and he took Kane off at 1-1 and the guy he brought on scored the winner
Truly devastated that we didn’t play well against Denmark and Slovenia. Really ruined the win on Wednesday for meCongratulations, only took him 6 games to realise
These players do not play like that for their clubs...
I've heard that phrase a lot. Genuine question, how do you 'let the handbrake off' when you're playing teams with 10 men behind the ball?A bizarre conclusion to draw. The football he’s had us playing has been awful to watch for years and our record against stronger teams is very poor.
The argument all along has been if we win games despite playing shit then it’s all fine, so here’s hoping we do it on Sunday. Most people just want to see him let the handbrake off given the players at his disposal.
By not allowing them to get set in such a position in the first place. One, two touch passing at higher tempos with more active movement off the ball.I've heard that phrase a lot. Genuine question, how do you 'let the handbrake off' when you're playing teams with 10 men behind the ball?
It's such a weird situation, because if we don't turn up on Sunday, it will be back to throwing coffee cups at Southgate again. Win and he will be a bloody hero
I am actually convinced we will put a good showing in on Sunday, though.
Have they said anything about what the fan split is looking like for Sunday at all? Obviously we were totally outnumbered by the Dutch.
Should be more even shouldn't it?
First half of the Euros final for me, Mancini was visibly panickingI think we will win tbh , I think England on their day can beat any team in the world
I actually think the best England performance I've ever seen under Southgate was the first half against Spain years ago ..we were brutally good and won 3-2 in Spain .
Interesting fact about our “easy run” View attachment 36846
Seeing this in the flesh was special because despite the negativity earlier in the campaign… the team and fans felt at one in the moment!
Croatia couldn’t even beat Albania and Italy got beat comprehensively by Switzerland. Two team that are overrated in the world rankings imo - because of their previous major tournament performances.Spain had
Italy 10th
Croatia 9th
In their group too
Not that I think either are particularly good sides
Switzerland are ranked 19 , Germany 16 , Slovakia 45 , Holland 7, France 2 , Georgia 74
Spain have played 3 top 10 teams this tournament and beat all 3
Right but really croatia had lost 4 games since 2022 leading upto the tournament , we beat Italy twice in qualifying for this very tournament .Croatia couldn’t even beat Albania and Italy got beat comprehensively by Switzerland. Two team that are overrated in the world rankings imo - because of their previous major tournament performances.
I’d have backed us to beat Italy (even before the tournament) and the narrative flips had we beat two top 10 teams going into the final.
Apologies - stole that from somewhere else without confirming, does show that our run has been somewhat similar though.Spain had
Italy 10th
Croatia 9th
In their group too
Not that I think either are particularly good sides
Switzerland are ranked 19 , Germany 16 , Slovakia 45 , Holland 7, France 2 , Georgia 74
Spain have played 3 top 10 teams this tournament and beat all 3
According to the UEFA site our first minute goal was our only on target the whole game. Doubt Mancini was panicking that much.First half of the Euros final for me, Mancini was visibly panicking
Did you watch?According to the UEFA site our first minute goal was our only on target the whole game. Doubt Mancini was panicking that much.
Strange also to be supporting a nation that’s suppressed independence movements of its own
I think it must be somewhat tongue in cheek.
It's called FEAR!!I think it must be somewhat tongue in cheek.
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