UEFA EURO 2024 (4 Viewers)

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 15, 2024

San Francisco said:
The fact we managed to even get to the final despite performing poorly for 90% of the tournament bodes well for the future. With a proper tactician for a manager we’d have smashed it.

I’m not so sure, the players lacked composure in key moments - true to form for an England team.

Breaking down Spain’s second goal, we had missed tackles and aimless conceding positions which is not the tactical instructions the team received.

It’s over now, if I was Southgate I’d walk away from it. The players may love working for him, but it’s clear the visceral dislike for him is a distraction for the team. If he how’s out on a relative high, the FA will probably come back calling if his successor fails.

That said, the alternatives aren’t great. Graham Potter being the only English manager available who’s managed at a top level. Lee Carsley is thought of very well by the FA and other international FAs that tried to poach him.

No, Klopp isn’t going to come and manage England nor do I think he’d make a good international manager.

ccfc922 · Jul 15, 2024

Waking up felt like a punch in the head. Absolutely gutted.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 15, 2024

Evo1883 said:
Amazing how many are prepared to back an utterly wank football manager over very good footballers who are being held back by said wank football manager

Not quite that simple, the players ought to bear some responsibility. The manager can craft the perfect tactics, but if players don’t stick to it, it’s a problem.

The move for the winner started with Guehi aimlessly punting the ball, Rice and Bellingham caught in no one’s land, Walker doesn’t stop the cross and finally, Guehi reacts too late to Oyarzabal’s run.

The tactics weren’t brave enough. Yet, the players themselves weren’t brave enough either and on the night didn’t perform up to the standard required.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jul 15, 2024

England need an English manager...........lets not go down the same desperate tin-pot route as we did with Sven & Capello......

Buying a foreign coach in for a bumper end-of-career pay-day makes England more like Belarus than Brazil.....more Saudi than Spain.

......and I want no part of it I tell you!

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 15, 2024

Lee Carsley for me

Evo1883 · Jul 15, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Not quite that simple, the players ought to bear some responsibility. The manager can craft the perfect tactics, but if players don’t stick to it, it’s a problem.

The move for the winner started with Guehi aimlessly punting the ball, Rice and Bellingham caught in no one’s land, Walker doesn’t stop the cross and finally, Guehi reacts too late to Oyarzabal’s run.

The tactics weren’t brave enough. Yet, the players themselves weren’t brave enough either and on the night didn’t perform up to the standard required.

We were awful all tournament besides 45 good minutes against Holland

Southgate had this group playing like they needed a point to survive every match , that's on him , the players can't play it

Hopefully we don't have to watch this shite any longer

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 15, 2024

Evo1883 said:
We were awful all tournament besides 45 good minutes against Holland

Southgate had this group playing like they needed a point to survive every match , that's on him , the players can't play it

Hopefully, you’re right and it’s all on Southgate and we’re a managerial change away from major tournament success. Looking at some of the individual performances, the mentality doesn quite look there.

If we’re the FA, I’d offer him a new contract. If I was Southgate, I’d walk away.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 15, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Walker was excellent in the first half playing against probably the best player in the tournament.

He's also getting a lot of the blame, but it wasn't just him. This was their second goal. How on earth is Cucurella allowed to run all the way down the line without being tracked from midfield. It was too predictable all night.

Evo1883 · Jul 15, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Hopefully, you’re right and it’s all on Southgate and we’re a managerial change away from major tournament success. Looking at some of the individual performances, the mentality doesn quite look there.

If we’re the FA, I’d offer him a new contract. If I was Southgate, I’d walk away.

Have we just watched the same tournament ?

We made the final but was it all you hoped it would be ? We won 2 matches in 90 .. we should have lost to Denmark, Slovakia was a massive let off , the team looked like they didn't know eachother up until the Dutch game .
We've created next to nothing all tournament

How the fuck we made the final I will never know

And we've set up all tournament like burnley under sean dyche

He cannot take this group of talented footballers forward to the next tournament

LastGarrison · Jul 15, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Lee Carsley for me

Based on?

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 15, 2024

LastGarrison said:
Based on?

Winning the u17 or u19 World Cup
Ingrained in the fa coaching structure
Great guy seemingly excellent coach
What Spain did

Evo1883 · Jul 15, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Winning the u17 or u19 World Cup
Ingrained in the fa coaching structure
Great guy seemingly excellent coach
What Spain did

He won the euro u21 title , not the two you've mentioned .

Evo1883 · Jul 15, 2024

Surely nobody would be happy with Lee carsley

xcraigx · Jul 15, 2024

Evo1883 said:
Surely nobody would be happy with Lee carsley

Carsley might!

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 15, 2024

Evo1883 said:
Have we just watched the same tournament ?

We made the final but was it all you hoped it would be ? We won 2 matches in 90 .. we should have lost to Denmark, Slovakia was a massive let off , the team looked like they didn't know eachother up until the Dutch game .
We've created next to nothing all tournament

How the fuck we made the final I will never know

And we've set up all tournament like burnley under sean dyche

He cannot take this group of talented footballers forward to the next tournament

It doesn’t matter how we progressed through the tournament. We lifted our performances in line with the opponents we played.

In the first half, we managed Spain well and they controlled the game better in the second and fashioned the better chances. We had a chance cleared off the line from a setpiece so we were close.

You’re right, from open play we weren’t good enough. Some of this will be tactical and some on personnel.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 15, 2024

Evo1883 said:
Surely nobody would be happy with Lee carsley

I’d prefer a manager with experience in international settings and preferably English. Who fits the bill?

Tactically, Potter would be the best English manager available. How would he or Eddie Howe handle the pressure of being England manager?

Talk of getting Klopp or Pep is plainly ridiculous.

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 15, 2024

Evo1883 said:
He won the euro u21 title , not the two you've mentioned .

What a banana I am
Thanks for putting me right
Loved him when he played for us great with my kids
Then read about his kid
Then lad reffed the Strachan Foundation u18 game first u18 game and he was the coach

Nothing really happened in the first half and he had to leave early but came over to Sam as a young ref and asked him if he enjoyed reffing and how he was getting on
Specifically noticing some little bits that had happened to encourage him

I wondered if that’s the touch that people like him and Southgate have with younger players to help them be their best selves

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 15, 2024

Technically we are still well off the levels required at international football.

MalcSB · Jul 15, 2024

CCFCSteve said:
100% this. The workload of top players is ridiculous

And they keep adding to it with stupid additional competitions and more qualifiers for pre existing ones.

MalcSB · Jul 15, 2024

Macca said:
Depends on whether you are judging them at club or international level I guess. Let’s be clear the manager has to take a huge amount of blame but he doesn’t. 1/ misplace passes 2/ show poor close control. There is a technical gap between British and continental footballers and always has been

He did leave two good technical players out of the squad.

MalcSB · Jul 15, 2024

SkyBlueChris said:
Southgate defining moment in the tournament was just before Spain scored the winner when the BBC commentator said:

We have Connor Gallagher and Kieren Tripper getting ready to come on....

Don't want another few years of that negativity when we should have been the team to go on and win the game!

Playing for penalties.

Grendel · Jul 15, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
I’d prefer a manager with experience in international settings and preferably English. Who fits the bill?

Tactically, Potter would be the best English manager available. How would he or Eddie Howe handle the pressure of being England manager?

Talk of getting Klopp or Pep is plainly ridiculous.

Howe or Potter would be out of their depth and unlikely to deal well with media pressure

TomRad85 · Jul 15, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
As I say, if we’re still around in 2038 let’s see

Was very disappointed at 1-1 and on top we didn’t put some fresh legs on and go on to win the game

Robins is similar to Southgate it maybe an English manager thing. Always looking to not lose initially rather than playing to win

Don't ever compare Robins to that clown. 100 times the manager Southgate will ever be.

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Travs · Jul 15, 2024

I'm far from saying Southgate is perfect, but i don't buy the attitude towards England from the fans/press, that its always the manager's fault...

How many "golden generations" have we had in my adult life? How many supposedly "world class" players? And we've had a number of managers who were top level (Capello and Sven come to mind).

To some extent, we just aren't as good as we hype ourselves up to be.

nicksar · Jul 15, 2024

England getting to the final was a huge achievement given how they played throughout the tournament.I wanted them to win last night but (being totally honest) i've felt Spain would lift the trophy for a couple of weeks now...on balance I think England acquitted themselves fairly well last night.
There is always a huge (and imo) false expectation of how good England are by fans and the media in this country.
Anyway it's done and dusted now and we can concentrate on what really matters #PUSB.

Sick Boy · Jul 15, 2024

Travs said:
I'm far from saying Southgate is perfect, but i don't buy the attitude towards England from the fans/press, that its always the manager's fault...

How many "golden generations" have we had in my adult life? How many supposedly "world class" players? And we've had a number of managers who were top level (Capello and Sven come to mind).

To some extent, we just aren't as good as we hype ourselves up to be.

Very true. They’ve only ever been called “golden generations” by the UK media and it’s ended up being parroted by fans who then believe the hype.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 15, 2024

Travs said:
I'm far from saying Southgate is perfect, but i don't buy the attitude towards England from the fans/press, that its always the manager's fault...

How many "golden generations" have we had in my adult life? How many supposedly "world class" players? And we've had a number of managers who were top level (Capello and Sven come to mind).

To some extent, we just aren't as good as we hype ourselves up to be.

We've never reached a final overseas before, we lost to the best team in the tournament but were competitive against them. It's not that bad really is it...?

And however depressing some people claim Southgate's football to be, it's not half as depressing as this thread after a decade of achievement!

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 15, 2024

Grendel said:
Howe or Potter would be out of their depth and unlikely to deal well with media pressure

Exactly, for all those who want Southgate out, there just isn’t a standout replacement as of yet.

Lineker and Micah Richards are frankly delusional if they think Klopp or Pep would want the job. Shearer too thinking Howe is the ‘standout candidate’ - he hasn’t won anything and has ducked any questions about Newcastle’s ownership.

Realistically, it’ll be Carsley if Southgate walks and his only senior management experience was with us as a caretaker. We all know how that went.

Nagelsmann & Rangnick arguably the best coaches in the tournament failed. In fact, top coaches in the club game rarely do well at the international game.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 15, 2024

Sick Boy said:
Very true. They’ve only ever been called “golden generations” by the UK media and it’s ended up being parroted by fans who then believe the hype.

To be fair, the squad consisting of:

Ashley Cole
Ferdinand
Terry
G Neville
Lampard
Gerrard
Scholes
Beckham
J Cole
Rooney

Was very strong on paper. The problem was it came at a time when the opposition was also much stronger than it is now.

Sky Blue Harry H · Jul 15, 2024

Evo1883 said:
His passing at times is diabolical , all tournament too , takes too many touches and gets dispossessed in silly areas .

That happened a lot last night - it was almost as though he was playing in a team where he knew he couldn't trust some of the players/tactics, and started to try and do too much himself (with the inevitable results). It must have been frustrating watching the Spanish defence mop up everything that went forward, because Kane couldn't hold anything up.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Jul 15, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
What a banana I am
Thanks for putting me right
Loved him when he played for us great with my kids
Then read about his kid
Then lad reffed the Strachan Foundation u18 game first u18 game and he was the coach

Nothing really happened in the first half and he had to leave early but came over to Sam as a young ref and asked him if he enjoyed reffing and how he was getting on
Specifically noticing some little bits that had happened to encourage him

I wondered if that’s the touch that people like him and Southgate have with younger players to help them be their best selves

Re: Carsley as per my earlier post - I’d refer you to Crewe away in that JPT Semi final. He’d be Southgate mark 2

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 15, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
To be fair, the squad consisting of:

Ashley Cole
Ferdinand
Terry
G Neville
Lampard
Gerrard
Scholes
Beckham
J Cole
Rooney

Was very strong on paper. The problem was it came at a time when the opposition was also much stronger than it is now.

Could you not argue that about 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2024?

Evo1883 · Jul 15, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Exactly, for all those who want Southgate out, there just isn’t a standout replacement as of yet.

Lineker and Micah Richards are frankly delusional if they think Klopp or Pep would want the job. Shearer too thinking Howe is the ‘standout candidate’ - he hasn’t won anything and has ducked any questions about Newcastle’s ownership.

Realistically, it’ll be Carsley if Southgate walks and his only senior management experience was with us as a caretaker. We all know how that went.

Nagelsmann & Rangnick arguably the best coaches in the tournament failed. In fact, top coaches in the club game rarely do well at the international game.

Let me get this straight ...linekar and
Richards are delusional, all the pundits and press that have had enough of Southgate are delusional ..

Rangnick failed (with Austria who are very average )
Nagelsmann failed (even though they deserved to beat the eventual tournament winners ) but fair enough they went out

Howe hasn't won anything , besides triple promotions through the football league and took Bournemouth to the Premier league and then took Newcastle to the champions league .

And you'd offer Gareth southgate a new contract

Sound

wingy · Jul 15, 2024

Time to do away with the template that has become modern football!!

Tommo1993 · Jul 15, 2024

Don’t really want Klopp - not sure he’d want England either. The Mourinho suggestions are frankly laughable.

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