UEFA EURO 2024 (2 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m no Southgate fan but are we sure it’s all about the manager. I mean it’s not a new thing that we fail with a team apparently “the envy of the world”. It’s happened under numerous managers. We fawn over Bellingham and Foden but other countries have half a dozen players of that calibre. Maybe what we think is great is what other countries thing of as the standard

The manager has prevented us from seeing the real upper limit of the players we have available. We may well have lost the final anyway, but based on what I saw when we actually tried attacking the goal, I’m not sure.

He centred his knockout strategy on penalty shootouts. That’s just inexcusably passive and is more risky than going for the win in 90 minutes.

 

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[Jamesimus]

100% correct

we move on, we need to

I dunno man, I still don’t buy this! I agree that our tactics seem to restrain some of the players, but do the following players get in that Spain team…
Rice, Mainoo, Palmer, Saka, Kane, Bellingham? I’m not digging those players out, as some of them have been good this tournament. Based on club form you’d be expected to pick them, but would they replace Rodri, Zubamendi, Yamal, Williams, Morata, Olmo? I think all of those players and Carvhal (probably spelled that wrong) get in our first 11.

Other than Bellingham they play in the Prem, is the Premier League the issue?

 

[Macca]

I don't think we can look away from Southgate really .. let's take turkey or Georgia and even Romania.

They played better attacking football than England , as I said last night we play like a team trying to survive more than one trying to thrive it's so boring and negative

Watching my kids football I’m more optimistic about the future. Way more time being spent on skills and general balance and coordination instead of just kicking a ball around a big pitch. Watch how awkward even England internationals look when they take the ball, it loses that split second advantage. Even the players in the so called lesser nations look more comfortable

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

A few players come out of this tournament with a bit of credit for me; Palmer, Mainoo and Guehi mainly.

We need to find a way to integrate Palmer into the side full time, he’s a gem and still so young. Should’ve had at least one start this tournament

Guehi is a brick wall at the back, still a little raw, but he’ll be top class in time.

Mainoo will be different level in 2 years time.

I wouldn’t give Southgate another tournament. He’s hit his ceiling, his negative football gets found out against better sides, and only reacting when things go wrong, which is often too late. He also looks checked out.

And yet for 5 mins after we equalised there was only one winner
He needed to get fresh legs on for foden and or shaw
Then as soon as Spain switched back on we were once again hanging on a bit
Could easily have won

 

[Evo1883]

I dunno man, I still don’t buy this! I agree that our tactics seem to restrain some of the players, but do the following players get in that Spain team…
Rice, Mainoo, Palmer, Saka, Kane, Bellingham? I’m not digging those players out, as some of them have been good this tournament. Based on club form you’d be expected to pick them, but would they replace Rodri, Zubamendi, Yamal, Williams, Morata, Olmo? I think all of those players and Carvhal (probably spelled that wrong) get in our first 11.

Other than Bellingham they play in the Prem, is the Premier League the issue?

Morata couldnt do it in the Premier league is very average , olmo has looked better in the tournament than at his club , in reality he is NOT better than what we have .

England have good players being held back by a scared tactically inept manager whose had us playing some of the worst tournament football you will ever see .. I don't care that we reached a final we've won 2 matches In 90 minutes , were 30 seconds from disaster against Slovakia and probably should have lost earlier in atleast 1 of the group games.

 

[Evo1883]

Foden , Bellingham, Palmer, kane , toney , Watkins, Gordon, saka , bowen

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Why did he bother taking a 26 man squad? He only played 16 players, most of whom looked knackered as a result. What does that tell the guys who sat around scratching their balls for 4 weeks? You ain't good enough? Or you don't fit with my "tactics"?

 

[Sick Boy]

I’m no Southgate fan but are we sure it’s all about the manager. I mean it’s not a new thing that we fail with a team apparently “the envy of the world”. It’s happened under numerous managers. We fawn over Bellingham and Foden but other countries have half a dozen players of that calibre. Maybe what we think is great is what other countries thing of as the standard

Bellingham improves all other national squads at this moment in time. The problem is that most of the team isn’t as good as some think and definitely not the envy of the world.

 

[Sick Boy]

Foden , Bellingham, Palmer, kane , toney , Watkins, Gordon, saka , bowen

It’s mad that more than half of that list didn’t even play that much.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I dunno man, I still don’t buy this! I agree that our tactics seem to restrain some of the players, but do the following players get in that Spain team…
Rice, Mainoo, Palmer, Saka, Kane, Bellingham? I’m not digging those players out, as some of them have been good this tournament. Based on club form you’d be expected to pick them, but would they replace Rodri, Zubamendi, Yamal, Williams, Morata, Olmo? I think all of those players and Carvhal (probably spelled that wrong) get in our first 11.

Other than Bellingham they play in the Prem, is the Premier League the issue?

Kane doesn’t. Also find the comments on Mainoo to be plainly absurd for someone who only really started playing for Man Utd in the second half of the season and stood out in a faltering team. He will be brilliant in a few years if he’s given the time.

 

[Jamesimus]

Kane doesn’t. Also find the comments on Mainoo to be plainly absurd for someone who only really started playing for Man Utd in the second half of the season and stood out in a faltering team. He will be brilliant in a few years if he’s given the time.

Forgot about Kane! Oh I agree. Mainoo looks like he is technically gifted enough to be a great forward thinking centre mid. He wasn’t great last night, but he’s 19 and other than that game, was good in all the others and it was clear from his first start, he should have been in there for the first game. The clamour to start Wharton for me, would only have been if he replaced Rice!

I was more trying to show that even our best performing players this tournament wouldn’t make the Spain team.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

I've never understood the blame of the players at international level. In club football when a side underperforms for a period of time the manager gets the sack and takes the brunt of the blame .
At international level you get fans saying it's the players fault ??
I'm sorry but he's had years with this squad and still there's no pattern of play or commitment to playing on the front foot and that's down to the manager not the players

 

[Evo1883]

I listened to Southgate post match just now in the press conference and if you never knew who he managed and had to guess from how he was talking about us as a team , what we'd given , what we had available to us etc etc .. you'd think he was the manager of Iceland and they'd just lost to Spain.

Crackers really

 

[Evo1883]

And as for this tournament , well you know it's coming but modern football is just wank isn't it ? . what a boring football tournament .. all the top teams barring Spain were atrocious to watch most of the time too .

Football at the top isn't in a great place

 

[San Francisco]

The fact we managed to even get to the final despite performing poorly for 90% of the tournament bodes well for the future. With a proper tactician for a manager we’d have smashed it.

 

[PVA]

I’m no Southgate fan but are we sure it’s all about the manager. I mean it’s not a new thing that we fail with a team apparently “the envy of the world”. It’s happened under numerous managers. We fawn over Bellingham and Foden but other countries have half a dozen players of that calibre. Maybe what we think is great is what other countries thing of as the standard

Which other countries have half a dozen players as good as Bellingham and Foden?

You're correct that we have had great squads before, but I would argue that at the time the many of the other big nations were much stronger than they are now.

 

[Evo1883]

Which other countries have half a dozen players as good as Bellingham and Foden?

You're correct that we have had great squads before, but I would argue that at the time the many of the other big nations were much stronger than they are now.

 

[PVA]

And as for this tournament , well you know it's coming but modern football is just wank isn't it ? . what a boring football tournament .. all the top teams barring Spain were atrocious to watch most of the time too .

Football at the top isn't in a great place

I am wondering if the number of games is starting to catch up with players.

Including the Euros Phil Foden played 65 games this year.

 

[shmmeee]

I’m no Southgate fan but are we sure it’s all about the manager. I mean it’s not a new thing that we fail with a team apparently “the envy of the world”. It’s happened under numerous managers. We fawn over Bellingham and Foden but other countries have half a dozen players of that calibre. Maybe what we think is great is what other countries thing of as the standard

That may be the the case, but we’re good enough not to play every game like a non league team away to Man Utd in the third round.

 

[Evo1883]

I am wondering if the number of games is starting to catch up with players.

Including the Euros Phil Foden played 65 games this year.

I agree

 

[Evo1883]

I remember some fans saying " who could do a better job though " about Steven pressley .

I'd argue Steven presley could have navigated England to atleast the quarters here and he's a shite manager

 

[stupot07]

Forgot about Kane! Oh I agree. Mainoo looks like he is technically gifted enough to be a great forward thinking centre mid. He wasn’t great last night, but he’s 19 and other than that game, was good in all the others and it was clear from his first start, he should have been in there for the first game. The clamour to start Wharton for me, would only have been if he replaced Rice!

I was more trying to show that even our best performing players this tournament wouldn’t make the Spain team.

At the minute, Mainoo isn't disciplined enough to play against top quality sides, like you say he is very forward thinking, so in qualifying he will boss it. He pressed too high, leaving Rice to cover too much ground. The gap between the midfield and the defence was too big at times and Olmo had lots of space to play in particular in the first half. Everyone will say Rice played poorly but defensively for most of the tournament he's had to do two players work in there. Mainoo will absolutely boss it in qualifying.

 

[Jamesimus]

At the minute, Mainoo isn't disciplined enough to play against top quality sides, like you say he is very forward thinking, so in qualifying he will boss it. He pressed too high, leaving Rice to cover too much ground. The gap between the midfield and the defence was too big at times and Olmo had lots of space to play in particular in the first half. Everyone will say Rice played poorly but defensively for most of the tournament he's had to do two players work in there. Mainoo will absolutely boss it in qualifying.

Yeah that’s fair, I don’t even think Rice is that kind of player, defo seems to suit a box to box roll more, so I guess that’s on the manager.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I am wondering if the number of games is starting to catch up with players.

Including the Euros Phil Foden played 65 games this year.

I’m think it has caught up with players of all the nations, it’s probably why it was such a poor tournament.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I am wondering if the number of games is starting to catch up with players.

Including the Euros Phil Foden played 65 games this year.

100% this. The workload of top players is ridiculous

 

[samccov1987]

I think Southgate will go but at the end of his contract once we have the nations league/friendlies out the way in December.

I don’t see the need to make a rush decision on a successor.

Id also like to see some of the big names rested for the nations league. Kane, Foden, Bellingham, Walker all looked knackered after a long season.

Give Palmer, Gordon, Watkins, Toney a run in the team in matches that don’t matter.

 

[Evo1883]

I think Southgate will go but at the end of his contract once we have the nations league/friendlies out the way in December.

I don’t see the need to make a rush decision on a successor.

Id also like to see some of the big names rested for the nations league. Kane, Foden, Bellingham, Walker all looked knackered after a long season.

Give Palmer, Gordon, Watkins, Toney a run in the team in matches that don’t matter.

Well we can try anything in the nations league because we got relegated from the top league and now have to play absolute shite as a result

Ireland , finland and Greece

ideally we get a new man in to try new things against these teams , you would have hoped the FA have people in mind , a plan that they've had for some time in the event he leaves

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well we can try anything in the nations league because we got relegated from the top league and now have to play absolute shite as a result

He isn’t one for experimenting even in friendlies unless it’s Kalvin Phillips replacements…

 

[Evo1883]

He isn’t one for experimenting even in friendlies unless it’s Kalvin Phillips replacements…

He needs to go

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We shall all see but in hindsight going into the 2038 World Cup having not got past a quarter final since 2024 I think we’ll have a bit more admiration for Southgate and England’s achievements with him as manager

 

[Evo1883]

We shall all see but in hindsight going into the 2038 World Cup having not got past a quarter final since 2024 I think we’ll have a bit more admiration for Southgate and England’s achievements with him as manager

We've not achieved anything , but the squad are now pally .. winner winner

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We've not achieved anything , but the squad are now pally .. winner winner

As I say, if we’re still around in 2038 let’s see

Was very disappointed at 1-1 and on top we didn’t put some fresh legs on and go on to win the game

Robins is similar to Southgate it maybe an English manager thing. Always looking to not lose initially rather than playing to win

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We shall all see but in hindsight going into the 2038 World Cup having not got past a quarter final since 2024 I think we’ll have a bit more admiration for Southgate and England’s achievements with him as manager

Nobody outside this country will remember getting to the finals and losing with meek, passive football.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nobody outside this country will remember getting to the finals and losing with meek, passive football.

Fair enough

 

[Evo1883]

I wonder if holland fans are gushing over Ronald keoman taking them to a semi final ??? Their best euro results for 20 years